Why The Second Amendment?

[TCassidy]

THE LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN US HISTORY HAPPENED December 29,1890. When 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota were murdered by federal agents & members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

The Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

THE LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN US HISTORY HAPPENED December 29,1890. When 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota were murdered by federal agents & members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

The Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

Agreed! Now how do you keep them out of the hands of nut jobs?

 

[Reynolds]

THE LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN US HISTORY HAPPENED December 29,1890. When 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota were murdered by federal agents & members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

The Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

I could not agree more.

 

[Alcott]

Agreed! Now how do you keep them out of the hands of nut jobs?

Don't allow them within a hundred yards of a pecan tree in the fall.

 

[Reynolds]

Agreed! Now how do you keep them out of the hands of nut jobs?

You don't. Nut jobs will always find a means, a mode, and make an opportunity. I am by any account a firearms expert. Master SWAT certified, SWAT instructor, L.E. Sniper, and competitive shooter with a few regional titles. Having said that, if I wanted to kill masses, a firearm would be way down the list. I am not giving anyone any ideas, but killing 95% of that 22,000 would have been easy. I am glad the nut jobs are not thinking bigger.

 

[carpro]

Agreed! Now how do you keep them out of the hands of nut jobs?

An effort can, and is, being made. But it will never be 100% successful. The human mind is far too complicated.

Maybe England should be trying to keep crazies from driving. Killers will find the means to kill.

The best defense against the nut jobs is an armed citizenry.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What about psychological testing?

 

[Reynolds]

What about psychological testing?

The Govt. will call all non conformists mentally unstable. All us pro life, anti gay marriage people.

 

[TCassidy]

Now how do you keep them out of the hands of nut jobs?

It is already illegal for a person who is mentally ill to purchase or posses a firearm. However, HIPPA law makes it illegal to have that information in the NICS database. So the fix will have to lie with Congress or the court system.

 

[FollowTheWay]

THE LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN US HISTORY HAPPENED December 29,1890. When 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota were murdered by federal agents & members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

The Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

Wounded Knee is an example of how the U.S. government took the lands of American Indians given to them under treaty and they relentlessly tried to kill as many of them as possible. Here, you're arguing that the U.S. should have given these Indians the right to bear arms because of America's oppression. That's an intersecting perspective that raises questions all the way back to the Pilgrims. What right did we have to take Indian land in the new world away from the Indians at all?

 

[TCassidy]

Here, you're arguing that the U.S. should have given these Indians the right to bear arms because of America's oppression.

Duh! The Indians, as American Citizens, already had the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. The government was trying to confiscate those guns "for their own protection." Then, to "protect" them, they slaughtered every man, woman, and child at the camp.

 

[carpro]

It is already illegal for a person who is mentally ill to purchase or posses a firearm. However, HIPPA law makes it illegal to have that information in the NICS database. So the fix will have to lie with Congress or the court system.

Then the fix is obviously to place more restrictions on law abiding citizens.

 

[Reynolds]

Then the fix is obviously to place more restrictions on law abiding citizens.

Yep. That always makes things better.

 

[TCassidy]

Citizenship. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. Before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, citizens of the states were automatically considered citizens of the United States.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Citizenship. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. Before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, citizens of the states were automatically considered citizens of the United States.

This is far more complicated than you are trying to make it to be. Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia

Congress Granted Citizenship to All Native Americans Born in the U.S.
June 2, 1924
Native Americans have long struggled to retain their culture. Until 1924, Native Americans were not citizens of the United States. Many Native Americans had, and still have, separate nations within the U.S. on designated reservation land. But on June 2, 1924, Congress granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in the U.S. Yet even after the Indian Citizenship Act, some Native Americans weren't allowed to vote because the right to vote was governed by state law. Until 1957, some states barred Native Americans from voting.

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/jazz/jb_jazz_citizens_1.html

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It is already illegal for a person who is mentally ill to purchase or posses a firearm. However, HIPPA law makes it illegal to have that information in the NICS database. So the fix will have to lie with Congress or the court system.

Really!?! I am amazed it hasn’t been addressed as of yet.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Govt. will call all non conformists mentally unstable. All us pro life, anti gay marriage people.

Yea I know...the guns and bible people.

 

[Revmitchell]

Wounded Knee is an example of how the U.S. government took the lands of American Indians given to them under treaty and they relentlessly tried to kill as many of them as possible. Here, you're arguing that the U.S. should have given these Indians the right to bear arms because of America's oppression. That's an intersecting perspective that raises questions all the way back to the Pilgrims. What right did we have to take Indian land in the new world away from the Indians at all?

Indians never owned any land and hated the idea that anyone would claim ownership. The Indians fought among themselves on a regular basis over hunting rights in different areas. Most tribes but a few were actually nomadic. They killed and slaughtered each other over "land" or hunting areas. Let's not act like they were just some innocent group minding their own business and the big bad white man came a long and took every thing from them. Its just not reality.

 

[church mouse guy]

Is anyone going to do anything about truck control?

Is anyone going to do anything about the high murder rate in Indianapolis? In Indianapolis 58 people are murdered every 122 days according to police statistics. We are little Chicago.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Indians never owned any land and hated the idea that anyone would claim ownership. The Indians fought among themselves on a regular basis over hunting rights in different areas. Most tribes but a few were actually nomadic. They killed and slaughtered each other over "land" or hunting areas. Let's not act like they were just some innocent group minding their own business and the big bad white man came a long and took every thing from them. Its just not reality.

Are Indians better or worse off since we took their hunting lands and put them on reservations? They are human beings loved by God.