I did not say anything about cattleman or farmers.
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Why The Second Amendment?
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I did not say anything about cattleman or farmers.
Cattlemen like the Indians didn't want the free range to be owned and fenced in. You said ownership is the key behind our right to drive out the Indians. The same argument could have been used for cattlemen. Why not? it's obvious. We believed that the Indians were savages to be killed off ASAP.
Theodore Roosevelt: ‘The Only Good Indians Are the Dead Indians’
Roosevelt: 'I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are'
Alysa Landry • June 28, 2016
Theodore Roosevelt: ‘The Only Good Indians Are the Dead Indians’
Yes, Constitution hating gun grabbers really are that stupid.
CNN is trying to illustrate how a bump stock works. So they show a graphic of an AR15 with a grenade launcher (civilians can't possess grenades) and a silencer (an NFA tightly controlled device) but no bump stock!
WATCH: CNN Tries To Explain Bump Stocks With Animation, Fails Miserably
CNN is trying to illustrate how a bump stock works. So they show a graphic of an AR15 with a grenade launcher (civilians can't possess grenades) and a silencer (an NFA tightly controlled device) but no bump stock!
WATCH: CNN Tries To Explain Bump Stocks With Animation, Fails Miserably
I didn't say any of that.
The truth — and lies — about Chicago's gun laws
Chicago does not have the strictest gun laws in the country. It’s time for gun lovers to stop spreading that lie.
A decade ago that was indeed a title Chicago wore proudly. We were the only major city that still had an ordinance banning residents from keeping a handgun in their home.
The handgun ban made us the primary target of the National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment Foundation, and in 2010 the U.S. Supreme Court forced Chicago to fall into line with the rest of the country.
Since then, the courts have peeled off so many layers of our once stellar gun ordinance that it’s barely recognizable. We’re still maneuvering to keep gun stores and shooting ranges from opening in the city limits. But the courts have ruled against us on that, too, so we know it’s just a matter of time.
Remember that old requirement that gun owners in Chicago register their firearms with the city and obtain a permit? Well, that’s gone too.
And thanks to the Illinois General Assembly, which was pressured by the federal courts to pass a concealed carry law in 2013, people can walk the streets of Chicago with a gun attached to their waist and another strapped to their ankle.
Sorry, gun lovers, your attempts to use Chicago as a prop to bolster your claims that gun control laws do nothing to curb gun violence just don’t hold up.
The truth — and lies — about Chicago's gun laws
Attorney general report shows 74 pct of firearms used in New York crimes were bought in states with weak gun laws
Of the 46,514 crime guns recovered by police with a known state of origin, an incredible 74%, or 33,344, were first sold to someone in another state.
That influx of out-of-state guns soars above the 29% national average, the report found.
Of the total recoveries, 75% were handguns, the weapon of choice among violent criminals, the report says. Of the 39,491 handguns recovered, 86% originated out-of-state.
Most guns used in N.Y. crimes were bought in other states
This is why we need strong NATIONAL gun control. Not confiscation of guns used for sport, hunting or self-defence but stronger background checks and traces between buyers and who eventually gets the guns.
Of the 46,514 crime guns recovered by police with a known state of origin, an incredible 74%, or 33,344, were first sold to someone in another state.
That influx of out-of-state guns soars above the 29% national average, the report found.
Of the total recoveries, 75% were handguns, the weapon of choice among violent criminals, the report says. Of the 39,491 handguns recovered, 86% originated out-of-state.
Most guns used in N.Y. crimes were bought in other states
This is why we need strong NATIONAL gun control. Not confiscation of guns used for sport, hunting or self-defence but stronger background checks and traces between buyers and who eventually gets the guns.
Once again you know nothing about what you are blathering on about. SCOTUS overturned a lot of Chicago gun laws (as well as Illinois' total ban on CCW licenses). But the city just passed new laws that had to work their way through the justice system before being over turned. At which time they passed a new, slightly different law, and sat back for another 5 years of gun bans while the new law was adjudicated.
The fact remains. Chicago has the worst gun control laws in the nation (they even exempted themselves from the Illinois state CCW license laws) and still has one of the highest murder/gun violence rates in the country.
And the picture is correct. In September 57 were killed and 273 were wounded. In other words, there is a "Las Vegas" every month in Chicago but the lying liberal media never mentions it because it disproves their narrative.
Saint of Circumstance
Member
Isn't that a violation of the 2nd Amendment?
Shouldn't Civillians be allowed, even encouraged, to posess every "arm" there is? Guns, Grenades, Rocket Launchers? Tanks, Chemical weapons and even Nukes?
Wouldn't you feel safer if you knew the "good guy" next door had a suitcase nuke at the ready to protect your neighborhood from Tyranny?
I know I would.
An Ar15 is hardly a deterrant against Government sending Tanks to roll down your street or drone strikes on your property.
A suitcase Nuke on the other hand? An excellent Deterrant.
Probably.
If that is what rows your boat, go ahead.
Well, except that a "suitcase nuke" is a myth. You've been watching too much television.
It is better than throwing rocks. And there are 140 million people who own 300 million guns in the US. Compare that to the 1.3 million on active duty in the US military and .8 million in reserve/guard units for a total of 2.1 million against 70 million if only half are able and willing to show up.
Also according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, there are 3.1 million National Firearms Act-registered weapons in the U.S., including machine guns, shotguns and rifles with barrels shorter than 18 inches, and silencers.
That number includes more than 488,000 machine guns and more than 2 million “destructive devices” such as grenades, which are also classified under the NFA law.
Looks to me as if we are better armed than you assumed.
A work of fiction.
The term "suitcase nuke" is a metaphor for a portable device. The minimum mass of a plutonium-239 fission warhead is 33 pounds (15 kg). Add to that the shielding (another 80 pounds) the delivery barrel (another 20 pounds), the conventional explosive trigger charge (5 pounds), and the casing and electronic controls (detonator/receiver and antenna) and you add another 15 pounds. So you have 153 pounds without the carrier.
Suitcase Nukes
10/23/2017 Suitcase Nukes | Homeland Security News
A suitcase nuke or suitcase bomb is a very compact and portable nuclear weapon and could have the dimensions of 60 x 40 x 20 centimeters or 24 x 16 x 8 inches. The smallest possible bomb-like object would be a single critical mass of plutonium (or U-233) at maximum density under normal conditions.
The Pu-239 weighs 10.5 kg and is 10.1 cm across. It doesn’t take much more than a single critical mass to cause significant explosions ranging from 10-20 tons. These types of weapons can also be as big as two footlockers.
The warhead of a suitcase nuke or suitcase bomb consists of a tube with two pieces of uranium, which, when rammed together, would cause a blast. Some sort of firing unit and a device that would need to be decoded to cause detonation may be included in the “suitcase.”
Another portable weapon is a “backpack” bomb. The Soviet nuclear backpack system was made in the 1960s for use against NATO targets in time of war and consists of three “coffee can-sized” aluminum canisters in a bag. All three must be connected to make a single unit in order to explode. The detonator is about 6 inches long. It has a 3-to-5 kiloton yield, depending on the efficiency of the explosion. It’s kept powered during storage by a battery line connected to the canisters.
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I would say a better name for a suitcase nuke, described here by Homeland Security (not a myth) is a car bomb. But the "backpack nuke" meets the portability requirements of the device previously mentioned.
Myth. Your own post proves it is a myth. Just read what you posted:
More myth. Russian propaganda. Most of the old USSR's missile launched nukes wouldn't launch, and those that would launch wouldn't detonate. And their so-called "back-pack" nuke never existed. Just used as a scare tactic.
OK. This is from the Homeland Security definition. So you're claiming they are lying.
LowOiL
Active Member
True, but the right to defend oneself is from God, not government. The second did not give citizens the right to keep guns, that came from God. All the second did was reaffirm that that right existed and should not be taken away from an encroaching government (like the British tried doing to Americans).
LowOiL
Active Member
Well it is not PC to say the crime in Chicago is also largely due also to urban collapse of the black community and their failure to keep the family unit afloat. Like a lot of big cities, it is just considered rude to actually admit the truth. Some try to deflect this as a "drug war" problem, but it is a heart problem and it is not doing the black community any favors to continue to lie about it.
And yes, Chicago still is not a gun friendly town as TC points out. Yes you may have a point that perhaps it is now not the most gun unfriendly. But if they had their way, it would soon return to that.
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LowOiL
Active Member
Actually most of those probable are within the scope of what the founders had in mind. They did pen in early papers that the populace should be equal or nearly equal with the military. I think most reasonable people would draw the line at nukes, but a tank, yeah, I can see that.
It is late now, but ping me if interested and I will dig up the relevant article proving the founders did intend the public men to be equal with the military.
For him to make a blanket statement about mental illness, when the vast, vast cases of mental illnesses do not cause someone to be prone to violence and are easily treated is almost as dumb as saying that capitalism and communism didn't exist before the Constitution.Then the fix is obviously to place more restrictions on law abiding citizens.
Why somebody should be in a criminal database because of an illness is beyond me and reeks of Soviet style citizen control.
Federalist Papers #46.
US Constitution: 1787.
Communism: 1848.
Capitalism: 1830.
(Hint: 1787 is BEFORE 1830 or 1848.)
CNN is a bunch of idiots. Have you seen the Coke can launcher for the AR? A guy at the gun club had one. Useless, but fun. Of course it could be easily used to launch non standard diameter home built grenades.