Why was Hank Hanagraaf not included to speak at Strange Fire?

[evangelist6589]

Its a shame that Hank Hanagraaf was not included to speak at the Strange Fire Conference at GCC in October. My guess would be due to his Preterism and Old earth views which he often vocalizes very strongly. Hank is wrong in those areas, however he is expert on the Charismatic movement and certainly more qualified to speak on the topic than a number of speakers that will be speaking at the conference. For example Todd Friel will get to speak, but he himself as admitted that Hank is the expert in this area and did so on a podcast once or twice. So what do you think on why Hank was ditched?

 

[Jerome]

MacArthur underling Phil Johnson expains it all:

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/bookmark/apol.htm

 

[Dr. Bob]

Phil is spot on with his critique of some of the "extremes" out there (including Hanagraaf). I would not have him speak at any conference in my church.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Its a shame that Hank Hanagraaf was not included to speak at the Strange Fire Conference at GCC in October. My guess would be due to his Preterism and Old earth views which he often vocalizes very strongly. Hank is wrong in those areas, however he is expert on the Charismatic movement and certainly more qualified to speak on the topic than a number of speakers that will be speaking at the conference. For example Todd Friel will get to speak, but he himself as admitted that Hank is the expert in this area and did so on a podcast once or twice. So what do you think on why Hank was ditched?

I, personally, would choose Friel over Hanagraaf simply because of Hanagraaf's ethical problems.

Most observers, including many of those involved with CRI agree that Hanagraaf "stole" CRI after Martin's death and there have been several incidents in which Hanagraaf was caught misappropriating CRI funds.

Besides, I don't think Hanagraaf is on the same par with the other speakers. He may be an expert at pointing out flaws in the WoF movement but, as a theologian, he's a lightweight.

 

[Bob Alkire]

Phil is spot on with his critique of some of the "extremes" out there (including Hanagraaf). I would not have him speak at any conference in my church.

I agree with you 100 percent.

 

[go2church]

Friel is fingernails on a chalkboard for me. I could try and think of a more annoying voice, presentation style, but it would take me a while. Tried to watch his show on Rural TV and just about got motion sickness with all the moving camera work. Ugh, changed the channel.

I have no idea what he said to know if it was any good or not, couldn't get past the superficial stuff to find out. Most of my experience with apologetic folks is that they come across as know it alls.

 

[SolaSaint]

Phil is spot on with his critique of some of the "extremes" out there (including Hanagraaf). I would not have him speak at any conference in my church.

He is no Walter Martin, Sir...

 

[evangelist6589]

Phil is spot on with his critique of some of the "extremes" out there (including Hanagraaf). I would not have him speak at any conference in my church.

He is off in some other areas yes, but that does not discredit his work on the Charismatic Movement does it?

 

[evangelist6589]

I, personally, would choose Friel over Hanagraaf simply because of Hanagraaf's ethical problems.

Most observers, including many of those involved with CRI agree that Hanagraaf "stole" CRI after Martin's death and there have been several incidents in which Hanagraaf was caught misappropriating CRI funds.

Besides, I don't think Hanagraaf is on the same par with the other speakers. He may be an expert at pointing out flaws in the WoF movement but, as a theologian, he's a lightweight.

I agree his ego is bigger than his knowledge. Like he sells his "Bible answer-book" and his "apocalypse Code" like they are the know it all on every subject, but examining them, the content is light. However on the charismatic movement he is an expert.

 

[evangelist6589]

Friel is fingernails on a chalkboard for me. I could try and think of a more annoying voice, presentation style, but it would take me a while. Tried to watch his show on Rural TV and just about got motion sickness with all the moving camera work. Ugh, changed the channel.

I have no idea what he said to know if it was any good or not, couldn't get past the superficial stuff to find out. Most of my experience with apologetic folks is that they come across as know it alls.

He is not all that knowledgeable.

 

[evangelist6589]

He is no Walter Martin, Sir...

No question about it.

 

[preacher4truth]

Its a shame that Hank Hanagraaf was not included to speak at the Strange Fire Conference at GCC in October. My guess would be due to his Preterism and Old earth views which he often vocalizes very strongly. Hank is wrong in those areas, however he is expert on the Charismatic movement and certainly more qualified to speak on the topic than a number of speakers that will be speaking at the conference. For example Todd Friel will get to speak, but he himself as admitted that Hank is the expert in this area and did so on a podcast once or twice. So what do you think on why Hank was ditched?

Sometimes being an expert is ruined due to credibility issues and Hank struggles with both areas. It is best to avoid him due to these reasons.

 

[evangelist6589]

Sometimes being an expert is ruined due to credibility issues and Hank struggles with both areas. It is best to avoid him due to these reasons.

I tune him out when he speaks on those topics. However I cant tune out his great work on the Charismatic Movement. Have you ever sinned before? Why should anyone listen to you? No.. We need to show grace on others.

 

[preacher4truth]

I tune him out when he speaks on those topics. However I cant tune out his great work on the Charismatic Movement. Have you ever sinned before? Why should anyone listen to you? No.. We need to show grace on others.

The op wasn't about me. It was about Hank and why he was possibly ditched by the conference team. I gave historical reasons as to why THEY may have found reason to not include him and for this you attack ME and talk about showing grace 'on' others?

Now perhaps you should go rebuke MacArthur in the manner you've rebuked me as it is he who made the decision, not I.

 

[evangelist6589]

The op wasn't about me. It was about Hank and why he was possibly ditched by the conference team. I gave historical reasons as to why THEY may have found reason to not include him and for this you attack ME and talk about showing grace 'on' others?

Now perhaps you should go rebuke MacArthur in the manner you've rebuked me as it is he who made the decision, not I.

Well I guess I wanted Hank to be there but I can see the various reasons why h was not allowed.

 

[preacher4truth]

Well I guess I wanted Hank to be there but I can see the various reasons why h was not allowed.

What reasons would those be? Like the ones I gave to which you went on a ridiculous and unfounded attack on me as a person? Why is that John? What's wrong?

When a person is in public ministry, and files suit against brothers, misappropriates funds, plagiarizes &c, and this public squandering, sin and scandal is not transcended by a notable repentance seeking restoration and forgiveness, such an one is to be avoided and to be thought of as not holding much credibility, and wisely so.

 

[Yeshua1]

What reasons would those be? Like the ones I gave to which you went on a ridiculous and unfounded attack on me as a person? Why is that John? What's wrong?

When a person is in public ministry, and files suit against brothers, misappropriates funds, plagiarizes &c, and this public squandering, sin and scandal is not transcended by a notable repentance seeking restoration and forgiveness, such an one is to be avoided and to be thought of as not holding much credibility, and wisely so.

Why has hank H be found guilty of doing though, as have not heard or read anything about his ministry for awhile?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I tune him out when he speaks on those topics. However I cant tune out his great work on the Charismatic Movement. Have you ever sinned before? Why should anyone listen to you? No.. We need to show grace on others.

Two questions:

1. Has Hanagraaf repented?

2. How does showing grace mean we must allow somebody who has no credibility to speak at a conference?

 

[Yeshua1]

Two questions:

1. Has Hanagraaf repented?

2. How does showing grace mean we must allow somebody who has no credibility to speak at a conference?

what was the bible Answer Man accused and convicted of doing though?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

what was the bible Answer Man accused and convicted of doing though?

First of all, it was Martin who was known as the "Bible Answer Man". Hangraaf just kept the name after he took control of CRI.

Second, that he was never charged with a crime does not mean that he did not sin.

By your logic, Ergun Caner did nothing wrong and should be welcome in any pulpit, in spite of the fact that he's never repented.