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Why! Why! Why!

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Aaron

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saturneptune said:
I have no idea who Paul 3144 is, but have you ever read the Declaration of Independence, that "we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Unbelievable

Nothing about our present government cares a thing about US sovereignty, otherwise, we would not waste one dime or inch of land on the UN. There is nothing in common between the agenda of the UN and the US Constitution. They are totally incompatable.
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My answer was to why they are provided the legal privileges of citizens. I'm opposed to it, BTW.
 
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Winman

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I am not sure of all the reasons that went into this decision, but the liberal mindset plays a big part into it.

The liberals are nothing more than 60s hippies dressed in suits and ties. They still believe things like "what if there was a war and nobody came". You know, they believe if everybody just sat around the campfire, held hands and sang, all the world's problems would go away.

They have a humanistic mindset that believes man is really good and can solve all his problems without God. Very few even believe in God.

Obama believes he can convince the Muslims that we are nice folks just like them. He has apologized for our war-mongering, for trying to change their values, and all the many evils we are guilty of.

So, he is going to give them a nice public trial with lawyers. The U.S.A. will be exposed for the awful villians we are. The world will see that Obama is different from past American administrations. He is smart, he is peaceful, he knows how to bring everlasting peace to the world. He is going to fix evil America who has been exploiting these nice Muslims and other nice people of the world. He is not afraid to confess our great evil. He's going to change all that.

With Obama and his cronies in charge, these guys could very likely not only get off, we might have to pay them damages for falsely imprisoning them and violating their civil rights.
 
KenH

KenH

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OldRegular said:
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"The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind. The answer is blowin' in the wind." - Bob Dylan

Just couldn't resist posting that after playing a bluegrass version of that song by Dolly Parton With Nickel Creek on my show this morning. :)
 
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rbell

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Dragoon68 said:
It applies to specific categories of persons in specific conditions. It is the result of a treaty to which we are a voluntary party and, in fact, the leader of getting it established. We did this because we elected to show mercy to prisoners of war - not because we were obligated to do so by our Constitution. We did not grant these rights to all persons in all conditions. Prisoners of war - the lawful kind - are, by the way, not dealt with in our civil court system. They are subject to the same UCMJ as our own military. The decision to treat low-life terrorists as prisoners of war and now as "criminals" in civilian courts is a stupid one for which we will pay dearly.
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Bingo!!!!!
 
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sag38

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Pirates years ago were not given due process but hung on the spot. The same treatment should be given to terrorists. They don't deserve the protection of the US Constitution, due process, etc. A military rifle execution squad is the only answer for such activity.
 
KenH

KenH

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Due process - military court or otherwise - must be given. This is the United States. We are not barbarians like the members of al Qaeda are.
 
carpro

carpro

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OldRegular said:
Now today we learn that the mastermind behind 9/11 is to be brought by Obama to New York for trial in a civilian court and given all the privileges of a citizen of this country. Again I ask Why!
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Mark my words.

Someday in the future Sheik Mohammad will walk out of a US court a free man.

Laughing all the way.
 
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FR7 Baptist

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carpro said:
Mark my words.

Someday in the future Sheik Mohammad will walk out of a US court a free man.

Laughing all the way.
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That could happen if he is acquitted. What if he were acquitted by a military commission? Would that be any better? Oh, you're a right winger who doesn't believe in justice, you just want a kangaroo court. I'm with KenH, we have to give due process.
 
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saturneptune

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Paul3144 said:
That could happen if he is acquitted. What if he were acquitted by a military commission? Would that be any better? Oh, you're a right winger who doesn't believe in justice, you just want a kangaroo court. I'm with KenH, we have to give due process.
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Justice is defined by the US Constitution in this country. Obviously you do not know the difference between an enemy and a criminal. You do not understand the difference between a US citizen, and one who is not.

What on earth makes you think that a foreign national is entitled to due process? Try taking a high school US government course.
 
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rbell

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KenH said:
Due process - military court or otherwise - must be given. This is the United States. We are not barbarians like the members of al Qaeda are.
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Agreed...but we have no business giving non-citizens what the US only promises to citizens.

Military court, all the way.
 
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targus

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No doubt the first arguement from the defense will be that he was not read his Miranda Rights when taken into custody.
 
carpro

carpro

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Paul3144 said:
That could happen if he is acquitted. What if he were acquitted by a military commission? Would that be any better? Oh, you're a right winger who doesn't believe in justice, you just want a kangaroo court. I'm with KenH, we have to give due process.
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Due process has already been guaranteed by Congress thru the Military Commissions Act of 2006. Holder is an idiot making political decisions on legal matters. "Due process" has nothing to do with it.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703683804574533622533459520.html?mod=djemEditorialPage

Coming soon to a civilian courtroom blocks from Ground Zero: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the four other al Qaeda planners of 9/11. Be sure to get your tickets early, and don't forget to watch out for the truck-bomb barricades and rooftop snipers.

Attorney General Eric Holder, who dropped this legal bomb on New York yesterday, called his decision to move their trial on war crimes from a military courtroom at Guantanamo Bay to American soil "the toughest" he has had to make. Other words come to mind. For starters, intellectually and morally confused, dangerous and political to a fault.

SNIP

Mr. Holder expressed confidence that KSM and the rest will be convicted, but it is telling that he also delayed filing formal charges. Will KSM be formally charged with the 9/11 murders, or merely with "material support" for terrorism or some lesser offense? The specific charges may depend on how much evidence is admissable in a civilian courtroom.
 
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OldRegular

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carpro said:
Mark my words.

Someday in the future Sheik Mohammad will walk out of a US court a free man.

Laughing all the way.
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He is to be given all the rights of a US citizen. Since he was not read his Miranda rights it is entirely possible that a Federal Judge could dismiss all charges. Frankly I am not sure this would be a problem for Obama and some of his ilk.
 
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