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will baptist churches soon have gay ministers?
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dianetavegia
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Just don't send him to US Blackbird! No way would I EVER EVER EVER tolerate a homosexual minister! I'd leave that church so fast!
Diane
Actually, some of the more fundamental churches have homosexual ministers -- they just keep it secret.
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dianetavegia
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But would they be a homosexual if they were celibate. Aren't YOU implying that you can tell a homosexual person by how they look or act?
Edited to add: If you lust in your heart .... you've done it...
Diane
Edited to add: If you lust in your heart .... you've done it...
Diane
Topic: will baptist churches soon have gay ministers?
It could happen soon, but I don't know if it will. When churches are denied tax-exempt status because of their "lack of tolerance", I suspect that a good many will capitulate and take the wide road. A church that I once attended is situated in a highly desireable business district , and the property is worth millions. Only a small crowd attended that church, when I was there, and if that church had to pay property taxes, it would be sunk. Churches could be forced to swallow the government's line or sell off the property and fade into the back-drop.
Don't read me wrong, now. I am against any compromise with the Sodomite crowd, even if they are backed by the government. I just offer the above scenario as an example of how it could happen.
Roy
It could happen soon, but I don't know if it will. When churches are denied tax-exempt status because of their "lack of tolerance", I suspect that a good many will capitulate and take the wide road. A church that I once attended is situated in a highly desireable business district , and the property is worth millions. Only a small crowd attended that church, when I was there, and if that church had to pay property taxes, it would be sunk. Churches could be forced to swallow the government's line or sell off the property and fade into the back-drop.
Don't read me wrong, now. I am against any compromise with the Sodomite crowd, even if they are backed by the government. I just offer the above scenario as an example of how it could happen.
Roy
Baptist churches hire and fire their own ministers. Those churches a majority of whose members believe (a) that the Bible sets forth definitive qualifications for pastors, and (b) that homosexual activity is incompatible with a call from God to pastoral ministry, will presumably continue to refuse to hire ministers who are known to be gay (and to dismiss those who come out of the closet in the pulpit); those whose understanding of scripture does not reach those conclusions will presumably continue not to make homosexuality a bar to ministerial vocation. There are certainly more openly gay Baptist ministers serving churches now than there were ten or fifteen years ago, and there are more churches now than then that have come to see sexual orientation (and, for that matter, gender itself) as no bar to ordination. In thirty or forty years I think it will be the majority, but it's not going to happen overnight, any more than the RC (or SBC) has come to accept women pastors just because the Methodists or ABC do.
The church I grew up in (University Baptist of Seattle) has had a gay Co-Pastor (Tim Phillips) for a decade or so, and since his Co-Pastor (Anne Hall, a straight woman) is resigning the end of this month, he will be the Pastor in toto.
Haruo
True but sad. It also didn't happen overnight for people to stop using religous excuses against blacks, women ect throughout history. Its just sad that people have to be discriminated against until be can change their views. </font>[/QUOTE]Agreed. But then I'm an AWAB member and most folks here aren't. ...
Haruo
JGrayhound
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Judging by the support of Tony Campolo at the CBF, I would not be surprised to see that in the CBF churches.
Campolo openly supports homosexuals and homosexual ministers.
Campolo openly supports homosexuals and homosexual ministers.
Watching this thread. I want to allow discussion on the issue at hand - will the average Baptist church have a homosexual minister - but I will not allow this to degenerate (now there's a good word) into another discussion of the same old same old.
I think liberal liberal liberal baptists who already deny the Bible and interpret away everything will (or may already have) openly homosexual ministers.
Thankfully, we don't have bishops (as with the current case in the US Episcopal) that elevates a man into a powerful position.
IF a Baptist Church in Casper (any association)had an openly homosexual minister, I would work openly to see them G-O-N-E.
I think liberal liberal liberal baptists who already deny the Bible and interpret away everything will (or may already have) openly homosexual ministers.
Thankfully, we don't have bishops (as with the current case in the US Episcopal) that elevates a man into a powerful position.
IF a Baptist Church in Casper (any association)had an openly homosexual minister, I would work openly to see them G-O-N-E.
Where did you get this information. I've routinely heard the charge (always from people who are highly critical of him), but everything I've read that Campolo has written on the subject says the opposite.
Dr. Bob:
I think liberal liberal liberal baptists who already deny the Bible and interpret away everything will (or may already have) openly homosexual ministers.
Thankfully, we don't have bishops (as with the current case in the US Episcopal) that elevates a man into a powerful position.
IF a Baptist Church in Casper (any association)had an openly homosexual minister, I would work openly to see them G-O-N-E.
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Amen!!!!
Thankfully our local fellowship is Independent, and autonomous. We do not have to conform to this world's value system, and if they take our building, facilities excetera, then we meet in homes. A Body of believers in the world but not of the world, solely dedicated to Christ.
We will continue to be Baptist through and through. We won't become United Church of Christ, compromising and sanctioning iniquity.
We will stand for God's Word. We won't rip asunder scripture and create a "god-lite", and lead those with itching ears straight to hell.
2 Peter 2:
12: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13: And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14: Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16: But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17: These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18: For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
A servant of Christ,
Drew
I think liberal liberal liberal baptists who already deny the Bible and interpret away everything will (or may already have) openly homosexual ministers.
Thankfully, we don't have bishops (as with the current case in the US Episcopal) that elevates a man into a powerful position.
IF a Baptist Church in Casper (any association)had an openly homosexual minister, I would work openly to see them G-O-N-E.
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Amen!!!!
Thankfully our local fellowship is Independent, and autonomous. We do not have to conform to this world's value system, and if they take our building, facilities excetera, then we meet in homes. A Body of believers in the world but not of the world, solely dedicated to Christ.
We will continue to be Baptist through and through. We won't become United Church of Christ, compromising and sanctioning iniquity.
We will stand for God's Word. We won't rip asunder scripture and create a "god-lite", and lead those with itching ears straight to hell.
2 Peter 2:
12: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13: And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14: Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16: But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17: These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18: For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
A servant of Christ,
Drew
remember that no Christian that has been formerly involved in the gay life style and now wants to preach or teach would consider themselves a gay or homosexual. a Christian would be washed from being owned by any sin. any person that claims to still be the sin of who they are, then i would question their conversion. would a former drunkard be labled a "drunkard pastor" ?
scripture tells us that no homosexual will see the kingdom of God
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
scripture tells us that no homosexual will see the kingdom of God
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
No. I'm implying if a homosexual is abstinent then they are a homosexual who isn't having sex. I'm not saying you can tell someone is a homosexual by how they look any more than I can see someone and know their religion, intelegence ect.
Do you believe that a abstinent heterosexual is not heterosexual but completely unoriented? </font>[/QUOTE]I didn't start this debate but I will answer this question. An abstinent homosexual is still a homosexual - An abstinent heterosexual is still a heterosexual.
The difference between the two is that the homosexual is like an alcoholic - he's fighting his unnatural addiction everyday for the rest of his life. It's an abnormal state.
The abstinent heterosexual is normal and living up to the highest standard set by the New Testament for single Christians.
Rev. Joshua
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Just to clarify, there are already baptist ministers serving ABC, Alliance, and CBF churches. It's not a question of "will?" They are already here.
Joshua
(who can think of at least three students from his baptist seminary who were out.)
Joshua
(who can think of at least three students from his baptist seminary who were out.)
Jailminister
New Member
irRev Joshua is right about one thing. They are already in baptist churches. This is all part of the apostasy that is taking place according to the Word of God:
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
This will more than likely increase as the Lord's return get closer. However God's people will stand against it. It will not change what God is allowing and God's plan for the end of this age, but we are still to say NO to sin.
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
This will more than likely increase as the Lord's return get closer. However God's people will stand against it. It will not change what God is allowing and God's plan for the end of this age, but we are still to say NO to sin.
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dianetavegia
Guest
Sodom and Gommorah
Come Quickly Lord Jesus!
Come Quickly Lord Jesus!
Homosexuals will continue to infiltrate our churches, homosexuality will continue to become more acceptable to succeeding generations, homosexuals will gain more positions of power, homosexuals will be afforded special rights, speaking out against homosexuality will become "hate" speech and will no longer be legal in this country, children will be exposed more often to homosexual educational material through our public schools, more of our children and grandchildren will "come out." It's a tide that's coming in, it's as sure as the sun rising. Homosexuals want it all, and they'll get it too. What they get, however, will not last, the souls they "win" and this earth that will pass away will be a sorry reward for their efforts, indeed, in terms of eternity.
It'll take more than dedicated, prayerful Christians to turn back this tide, it'll take a miracle.
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Jason
It'll take more than dedicated, prayerful Christians to turn back this tide, it'll take a miracle.
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Jason