Will People Be Condemned for Not Believing in Jesus though They’ve Never Heard His Name?

[KenH]

Scripture?

Romans 10:13-14 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

(emphasis mine)

 

[KenH]

The term elect is never used of the condemned.

Those who are not elect are reprobates. 2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

 

[Van]

Hell is going to freeze over, Van has flipped to Calvinism....

More disinformation from the fount.

These are the biblical views, not exclusively Calvinist views.

Does God have the right of the Potter over the clay? Is God not sovereign? You bet!

A tell-tale sign of man-made doctrine is that it judges God, i.e God would not do this or that because its not "fair: or "just."

Does "God would not allow humans to make their choice to trust fully in Christ because God is sovereign, ring a bell?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This has always bothered me. Clark Pinnock, who was a founding member of the Evangelical Theological Society, ended up in Open Theism, then one who believed in Annihilationism.

In the book on Open Theism, he said that he could not believe in A God who would condemn people who had never heard the name of Jesus.

I know Jesus said he was the Way. But will there be grace for those who never heard?

I say yes of course… would the Creator of all life be unjust to His creations?

 

[kyredneck]

Does "God would not allow humans to make their choice to trust fully in Christ because God is sovereign, ring a bell?

No, Van, you totally lost me there. No idea what you're talking about.

So, you've flipped? You're a Calvinist now? You now accept that God 'has mercy on whom he will, and whom he will he hardens?' That it is not of man that wills, nor of man that runneth, but of God that hath mercy? That God has afore prepared unto glory these from Jews and Gentiles?

 

[Alcott]

I say yes of course… would the Creator of all life be unjust to His creations?

Then if no one ever tells a person who has not heard the gospel about the gospel, his chances of not being condemned are 100%, but if you tell that person about the gospel, then his chances are greatly reduced?

I call that the inverse gospel-- that one must reject it to be lost, rather than accept it to be saved. But scripture's instructions are clear that we are to go into the world and preach the gospel. Does that save more people?-- or condemn more?

 

[Van]

No, Van, you totally lost me there. No idea what you're talking about.

So, you've flipped? You're a Calvinist now? You now accept that God 'has mercy on whom he will, and whom he will he hardens?' That it is not of man that wills, nor of man that runneth, but of God that hath mercy? That God has afore prepared unto glory these from Jews and Gentiles?

Just another disinformation post to disrupt actual biblical discuss.

Does God have the right of the Potter over the clay? Is God not sovereign? You bet!

A tell-tale sign of man-made doctrine is that it judges God, i.e God would not do this or that because its not "fair: or "just."

Does "God would not allow humans to make their choice to trust fully in Christ because God is sovereign, ring a bell? Here one poster claims he does not advocate total spiritual inability. Go figure.

God has compassion on whom He has compassion, and those who claim God no longer has compassion and does not offer salvation to the lost living today are putting God in their man-made box.

 

[Dave G]

Scripture?

2 Peter 3:8-9.

 

[taisto]

This has always bothered me. Clark Pinnock, who was a founding member of the Evangelical Theological Society, ended up in Open Theism, then one who believed in Annihilationism.

In the book on Open Theism, he said that he could not believe in A God who would condemn people who had never heard the name of Jesus.

I know Jesus said he was the Way. But will there be grace for those who never heard?

We aren't condemned for not believing. We are condemned for breaking God's law.
"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
God justly condemns all humanity based upon their unholiness.
We are saved by grace (not by belief). Belief is an effect of God's gracious election to save a person. We believe because Jesus has saved us and given us faith to believe. Therefore, we are saved by grace and that grace gives us faith through which we believe.

So, we are not condemned because we don't believe We are condemned because we are criminals against God's holiness.

 

[percho]

Romans 1 teaches us that the whole world is condemned for rejecting God’s revelation of Himself found in creation (general revelation).

So, yes, those who never hear the gospel are condemned.

But rather than let that “bother” you, perhaps focus on the miracle of God’s mercy that He does not leave all of humanity to perish in their sin and rebellion.

God, in His mercy, has chosen some for salvation. According to 1 Corinthians 1, God chose the foolishness of the message preached, Christ and Him crucified, to save those that believe.

Praise God for His love and mercy.

peace to you

Here is a thought. I died 1900 years ago not ever hearing the Gospel and one day I am resurrected and told to, confess that Jesus Christ is Lord?

Do I get to ask who is Jesus and Lord of what? Think maybe I may be given a little more info upon being resurrected?

 

[percho]

and they sing a new song, saying, 'Worthy art thou to take the scroll, and to open the seals of it, because thou wast slain, and didst redeem us to God in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation,
and didst make us to our God kings and priests, and we shall reign upon the earth.'

Does that above apply to, "all," of the chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world?

Who, on the earth, are they going to be kings and priests, to?

BTW whenever John wrote this that, "we shall reign," was future tense.

YLT Matt 19:28 And Jesus said to them, 'Verily I say to you, that ye who did follow me in [to] the regeneration, when the Son of Man may sit upon a throne of his glory, shall sit -- ye also -- upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel;

Is Thomas judging any or all tribes today or does he have to be made alive again before he can judge?

Who is going to be reigned over, when? Does this reigning require righteousness and eternal life in body incorruptible?

 

[canadyjd]

Here is a thought. I died 1900 years ago not ever hearing the Gospel and one day I am resurrected and told to, confess that Jesus Christ is Lord?

Do I get to ask who is Jesus and Lord of what? Think maybe I may be given a little more info upon being resurrected?

After death comes judgment. There is no chance after death.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

This has always bothered me. Clark Pinnock, who was a founding member of the Evangelical Theological Society, ended up in Open Theism, then one who believed in Annihilationism.

In the book on Open Theism, he said that he could not believe in A God who would condemn people who had never heard the name of Jesus.

I know Jesus said he was the Way. But will there be grace for those who never heard?

They are condemned for rejecting God. Regardless of what they know, they have rejected what has been made plain to them.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

They are condemned for rejecting God. Regardless of what they know, they have rejected what has been made plain to them.

Without the intercession of the Holy Ghost your proselytizing means nothing.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Then if no one ever tells a person who has not heard the gospel about the gospel, his chances of not being condemned are 100%, but if you tell that person about the gospel, then his chances are greatly reduced?

I call that the inverse gospel-- that one must reject it to be lost, rather than accept it to be saved. But scripture's instructions are clear that we are to go into the world and preach the gospel. Does that save more people?-- or condemn more?

without the backing of the Holy Spirit, you are just spinning your wheels.

 

[Deacon]

Romans 1 teaches us that the whole world is condemned for rejecting God’s revelation of Himself found in creation (general revelation).

So, yes, those who never hear the gospel are condemned.

I’ve heard it said that we are only responsible for light that was given to us. Even then mankind fails the test.

Romans 1:19 -20 (ESV): For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. …so they are without excuse.​

Rob

 

[kyredneck]

2 Peter 3:8-9.

Revelation 2:21

 

[Alan Gross]

John 5: 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Lost sinners must hear God's Word.

15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? or is thine eye evil, because I am good? Mt 20

Jesus can do what He wants, except what He has Self-restricted.

But He is also the Sovereign God Who Commanded His Gospel Church state to "go, preach the Gospel".

We don't tell Him to do what He wants with the Elect or lost, in general.

He tells us what to do. Preach the Gospel.

Holy Spirit alone Regeneration... Brother Glen

The Holy Spirit has chosen to use the preached word of the Gospel to save those who eventually believe, when He Accompanies the Gospel preached with the New Birth and gives the Spiritual Enablement to believe Jesus died, was buried, and rose again for that sinner.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Just like the hearing of the wind, the hearing of the Gospel must be Enabled by the wind of the Holy Spirit.

According to 1 Corinthians 1, God chose the foolishness of the message preached, Christ and Him crucified, to save those that believe.

That's what He says.

Not in an eternal sense but if the elect are so few and only chosen, then explain to me where this great multitude came from?... Brother Glen

The Elect may be said to be few in comparison to the lost, then as far as where the multitude came from, that would be from here (yuk, yuk);

all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues,

 

[kyredneck]

Just like the hearing of the wind, the hearing of the Gospel must be Enabled by the wind of the Holy Spirit.

There is absolutely no mention of the gospel, or a preacher to tell it, or a parent to tell it, or a missionary to tell it, or a Sunday School teacher, etc. to tell it, you're inserting it:

7 `Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above;
8 the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.` Jn 3

13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1

BEFORE one can enter, or even see the kingdom of God they must first be born from above, and it's not a new thing, it's very old:

1 A Psalm of the sons of Korah; a Song. His foundation is in the holy mountains.
2 Jehovah loveth the gates of Zion More than all the dwellings of Jacob.
3 Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah
4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon as among them that know me: Behold, Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia: This one was born there.
5 Yea, of Zion it shall be said, This one and that one was born in her; And the Most High himself will establish her.
6 Jehovah will count, when he writeth up the peoples, This one was born there. Selah
7 They that sing as well as they that dance shall say, All my fountains are in thee.

26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now. Gal 4

Hearing and believing the gospel has zilch to do with having the heavenly Zion as your mother. But, being born from Zion above has everything to do with hearing and believing the gospel.

I thought you understood that Alan.

 

[tyndale1946]

Lost sinners must hear God's Word.

Jesus can do what He wants, except what He has Self-restricted.

But He is also the Sovereign God Who Commanded His Gospel Church state to "go, preach the Gospel".

We don't tell Him to do what He wants with the Elect or lost, in general.

He tells us what to do. Preach the Gospel.

The Holy Spirit has chosen to use the preached word of the Gospel to save those who eventually believe, when He Accompanies the Gospel preached with the New Birth and gives the Spiritual Enablement to believe Jesus died, was buried, and rose again for that sinner.

Just like the hearing of the wind, the hearing of the Gospel must be Enabled by the wind of the Holy Spirit.

That's what He says.

The Elect may be said to be few in comparison to the lost, then as far as where the multitude came from, that would be from here (yuk, yuk);

Disagree Alan... Lost sinner don't hear his word they hear his voice... Brother Glen

John 5: 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

I don't believe in Gospel Regeneration but Holy Spirit alone Regeneration!