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Will the Board Bushies ever admit Iraq is a mess?
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poncho
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So, it's really come down to that huh? Government documents have no credibilty and you acuse me of believing in conspiracy theories!
Why not talk to the soldiers coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq? You might find they have a different opinion than you about their glorious mission to fight terrorism and liberate the people over there.
Why not read a few Iraqi blogs to get an idea of what they really think instead of taking it for granted that the corporate media in the USA "knows all tells all"?
Or is what the Iraqi's think of us now considered to be conspiracy theory as well?
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The conpiracy theory theory is just a weak and uninformed way of not taking responsibility for yourself to look up the documents and come to grips with reality.
Why not talk to the soldiers coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq? You might find they have a different opinion than you about their glorious mission to fight terrorism and liberate the people over there.
Why not read a few Iraqi blogs to get an idea of what they really think instead of taking it for granted that the corporate media in the USA "knows all tells all"?
Or is what the Iraqi's think of us now considered to be conspiracy theory as well?
The conpiracy theory theory is just a weak and uninformed way of not taking responsibility for yourself to look up the documents and come to grips with reality.
The problem lies with those "documents" that you belive, those are generated, and edited by the media, I know mariens first hand who are out there right now on the front line, I offer up prayers for them every day for thier safe return, they have expressed to me, that if they did die, it would be for a good cause, and which side of the Iraqi people are you talking about the Citizens who want the united States there, to rid there contry of these terrorist, or do you mean the terrorist?
poncho
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No, Rooster the problem lies with people that put "handy little" labels on people and information to try and discredit any information that might change their little view of the world.
The conspiracy theory theory is just a way to get people afraid to check the facts for themselves. Apparently it has worked to disuade many here to run away from information that seems scarey to them.
OH NO! it's a "conspiracy theory" run for your lives, don't look at that information it'll make you go blind, or worse you'll turn into an informed person that can think for yourself...OH NO!
Your not going to see the documents I'm talking about on any mainstream media outlet. Well maybe Lou Dobbs but he's an exception. I'm surprised they still let him speak out aganst globalism.
Nope you'll have to go to the governments own websites, look through hundreds of pages of congresional papers, the UN website and search through thousands of pages of proposals like oh I don't know...the global road tax that they want, that they have been talking about, that they have been implementing for ten years here.
Think they ain't been implimenting a global road tax and don't have systems in place in America to do just that?
Next time your driving down the road and you see the little round plastic thing next to the highway...stop next to it and kick it...then start counting cuz the lawman is gonna show up to ask you what your doing messing around there. Tell the nice officer that your wondering about what business the UN has taxing Americans, then start counting again cuz you'll be going to jail.
"What do you now about the UN's global tax scheme? Are you a terrorist? You better come down to the station for debriefing."
Why do they want a global tax? To pay for their global army of course.
It's in the documents. Communism didn't die, it's going by a different name and I call it global socialism. It's alive and well right here in the good ole USA and Bush and Kerry are on the same team of global socialists, if we have to use labels, lets put them where they belong.
The plan is to control Uzbekistan, To keep it away from Russia and China. To be the worlds one great super power. Even if we have to arm our enemies and knock them off one country at a time to make it scarey for those at home glued to CNN.
Even though they are telling you that Russia and China are our FRIENDS doesn't mean that they are.
Next thing you know you'll start to hear about Arnold's presdential campaign in 2008.
The conspiracy theory theory is just a way to get people afraid to check the facts for themselves. Apparently it has worked to disuade many here to run away from information that seems scarey to them.
OH NO! it's a "conspiracy theory" run for your lives, don't look at that information it'll make you go blind, or worse you'll turn into an informed person that can think for yourself...OH NO!
Your not going to see the documents I'm talking about on any mainstream media outlet. Well maybe Lou Dobbs but he's an exception. I'm surprised they still let him speak out aganst globalism.
Nope you'll have to go to the governments own websites, look through hundreds of pages of congresional papers, the UN website and search through thousands of pages of proposals like oh I don't know...the global road tax that they want, that they have been talking about, that they have been implementing for ten years here.
Think they ain't been implimenting a global road tax and don't have systems in place in America to do just that?
Next time your driving down the road and you see the little round plastic thing next to the highway...stop next to it and kick it...then start counting cuz the lawman is gonna show up to ask you what your doing messing around there. Tell the nice officer that your wondering about what business the UN has taxing Americans, then start counting again cuz you'll be going to jail.
"What do you now about the UN's global tax scheme? Are you a terrorist? You better come down to the station for debriefing."
Why do they want a global tax? To pay for their global army of course.
It's in the documents. Communism didn't die, it's going by a different name and I call it global socialism. It's alive and well right here in the good ole USA and Bush and Kerry are on the same team of global socialists, if we have to use labels, lets put them where they belong.
The plan is to control Uzbekistan, To keep it away from Russia and China. To be the worlds one great super power. Even if we have to arm our enemies and knock them off one country at a time to make it scarey for those at home glued to CNN.
Even though they are telling you that Russia and China are our FRIENDS doesn't mean that they are.
Next thing you know you'll start to hear about Arnold's presdential campaign in 2008.
Pennsylvania Jim
New Member
Poncho is right about certain ideas not to be found in the major media. When was the last time you saw anything about someone wanting to abolsh the US Dept of Education?
You might think it's so "radical" that it doesn't deserve coverage. Not so! It was part of Ronald Reagan's campaign agenda, and I think a plank in the GOP platform as recently as the '80's.
The big media and party bosses frame the issues around differing degrees of leftist ideas, and we buy the lie that anything else is unconceivable.
Why do we not only put up with it, but go along with it?
You might think it's so "radical" that it doesn't deserve coverage. Not so! It was part of Ronald Reagan's campaign agenda, and I think a plank in the GOP platform as recently as the '80's.
The big media and party bosses frame the issues around differing degrees of leftist ideas, and we buy the lie that anything else is unconceivable.
Why do we not only put up with it, but go along with it?
The Peroutkistas spend all their time expressing their hatred for Bush. Meanwhile, they themselves would have evidently left Saddam in power because they say that they call the war in Iraq illegal and that they would end it and bring the troops home.
No wonder that 99.9% of Americans reject the Constitution Party. A party based upon hatred of Bush and false accusations about illegal wars will never appeal to the American people. Our troops deserve our support in their waging of a legal war against terrorism.
No wonder that 99.9% of Americans reject the Constitution Party. A party based upon hatred of Bush and false accusations about illegal wars will never appeal to the American people. Our troops deserve our support in their waging of a legal war against terrorism.
CMG, let's look at the 99.9% of Americans you say reject the CP.
First of all, what percentage of Americans even vote? How many voted the last election?
PA Jim or Poncho can probably tell you the percentage, which I can't. But say 40% of Americans vote. (The number is probably lower.) That already knocks down your 99.9%.
Of those, say 40% of voting Americans, how many of them even know or care anything about what is really going on? Probably 10%. The vast majority of Americans doesn't even know what is going on other than what they are pablum fed on CNN or the big 3. And how many of that percentage even heard of any other party than the Demopublicans? The point is, it is not 99.9%. But I love ya anyway.
First of all, what percentage of Americans even vote? How many voted the last election?
PA Jim or Poncho can probably tell you the percentage, which I can't. But say 40% of Americans vote. (The number is probably lower.) That already knocks down your 99.9%.
Of those, say 40% of voting Americans, how many of them even know or care anything about what is really going on? Probably 10%. The vast majority of Americans doesn't even know what is going on other than what they are pablum fed on CNN or the big 3. And how many of that percentage even heard of any other party than the Demopublicans? The point is, it is not 99.9%. But I love ya anyway.
Pennsylvania Jim
New Member
And, from what I've seen, it's not that a huge percentage of Christians reject the CP for their positions. It's just that they want to be with a "winner".
Pennsylvania Jim
New Member
Rooster, if you think Poncho buys into the mass media, you'd better read around here before you stick your foot in your mouth.
Your point is beside the point because it goes without saying that the 99.9% who reject the Constitution Party are the voters in the last election. The statistic only talks about voters; and only voters matter.Originally posted by LadyEagle:
CMG, let's look at the 99.9% of Americans you say reject the CP.
First of all, what percentage of Americans even vote? How many voted the last election?
PA Jim or Poncho can probably tell you the percentage, which I can't. But say 40% of Americans vote. (The number is probably lower.) That already knocks down your 99.9%.
Of those, say 40% of voting Americans, how many of them even know or care anything about what is really going on? Probably 10%. The vast majority of Americans doesn't even know what is going on other than what they are pablum fed on CNN or the big 3. And how many of that percentage even heard of any other party than the Demopublicans? The point is, it is not 99.9%. But I love ya anyway.
Afterall of the time and money that the Peroutkistas have wasted in this election cycle, their total will likely go down because they do not have Howard Phillips this time but the ill-tempered Peroutka.
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Goering was a lifelong junkie who spent time in a Swedish mental hospital after World War I. To quote him as an expert political scientist is inappropriate. For one thing, he never had any experience with Democracy. The Nazi Party came to power by force and by disinformation. The Nazi Party was also anti-democratic, so Goering would just be making a Nazi partyline smear against democracy.
Will Peroutkistas ever admit that their plan to pull out of Iraq and their calling of the war illegal implies that they may support the return to power of Saddam?
Will Peroutkistas ever admit that their plan to pull out of Iraq and their calling of the war illegal implies that they may support the return to power of Saddam?
Exactly. Isn't it ironic that the lemmings who are not lifelong junkies spending time in mental hospitals are drinking the Kool-Aid of the neocons in the Republican Party?
The power will not return to Saddam, but the power will go to whichever sect is victorious in the coming civil war in Iraq. Our military will be caught in the middle to be beheaded by either the Sunnis or the Shiites - which ever one gains ultimate control and implements the genocide of civilians which will follow.
The Galatian
Active Member
Don't fall for the Bush shuffle here. There were WMD at one time. But by the time Bush was ready to invade, there were no usable WMD in Iraq. The "evidence" Bush trotted out were "biological weapons trailors" later determined to be used for generating hydrogen. And the "WMD" were a couple of unusuable artillary shells with some sarin and mustard gas.
In the sense that after Osama declared that Saddam was an apostate who should be killed, Saddam invited Osama to visit him in Iraq. For some reason Osama was suspicious of his motives. Wouldn't you have been?
Even Bush finally admitted that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
Bush is consistant with his stands, the only shuffle going on, is the Kerry flip-flop shuffle, if there are no wepons of mass-destruction, or plans for making them, then why are terrorist trying to get Sadams WMD scientist women released from the jail? You actualy think thats all they found, a few unusable shells with sarin, and mustard gas? They found more than they'll let us know about, and if Sadam had a little sarin, and mustard gas, you don't think there is more where that came from, or maybe he moved his WMD to a safer location, and maybe we havent hit the real pay dirt yet. WMD are not the only issue here, Sadams evil dictatorship, makes people like Castro, or Kaddafi look like angels, Sadam had to go, no matter what it took, or takes, you seriously think terrorist have control of the war, or even a chance to win it? they are goming to a gun fight with a knife, they will lose.