Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

[church mouse guy]

How do you know? Please give Scripture references.
"We know that the Great Tribulation will be seven years long with three years of peace and safety."

That's odd - 7 years of tribulation includes "three years of peace and safety." Doesn't sound like 7 years of tribulation. Only 3 1/2 or 4 years of tribulation.

Which Scriptures teach you what you assert?

What "people in Israel" want to do has nothing to do with Bible prophecy. See my posts #83 & #89.

Daniel 9:27 (KJV) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So this tells us that the Great Tribulation shall last seven years and that in the midst of the seven years the temple sacrifice and oblation shall be ordered stopped as the temple will be defiled.

Jeremiah 30:7 (KJV) Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Revelation 12:6 (KJV) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days. (Petra?)

Revelation 13:11-18 (KJV) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

What Jesus said:

Matthew 24:15-22 (KJV) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[xlsdraw]

Simple questions to all of you Replacement Theologists.

What is it to you if the Jews were to build a Third Temple?

If you are REALLY so thoroughly convinced that God has cast them off, what possible benefit could it be for the Jews, and what possible harm could it be to you?

Why are your denominations politically active against Israel?

 

[Covenanter]

Thanks CMG for posts 100 & 101 which show your interpretation of Scripture. Further questions are -

Jesus FINISHED the work given him by his Father, & he assured the disciples after his resurrection that everything he was prophesied to do had been fulfilled.

Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.​

Your are implying/saying that Dan. 9:24 was NOT fulfilled.

“Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy [Place.]​

After 483 years the Lord Jesus was baptised & anointed. 490 years takes us to 3 1/2 years after Calvary.

How did the LORD Jesus Christ fail in his God-given saving work?

 

[Covenanter]

Simple questions to all of you Replacement Theologists.

What is it to you if the Jews were to build a Third Temple?

If you are REALLY so thoroughly convinced that God has cast them off, what possible benefit could it be for the Jews, and what possible harm could it be to you?

Why are your denominations politically active against Israel?

"Replacement Theologian" is a pejorative term for people who believe that the New Covenant Church, comprising one redeemed people of God, both Jew & Gentile, is the fulfilment (not replacement) of the Old Covenant with the Abraham & the Patriarchs. Note Gen. 12:3

God did NOT reject Israel, he redeemed Israel. Luke 24:21 There were many thousands baptised by John, many thousands believed in Jesus during his earthly ministry & welcomed him into Jerusalem, and many thousands were converted at Pentecost & throughout the Apostles' ministry, even Pharisees. Nicodemus, Joseph & Paul & see Acts 15. The generation that rejected Jesus, & failed to repent at the Apostles' preaching, perished before & during the AD 70 destruction.

While many claim to be Jews, being a Jew is not significant. They & we have the New Covenant & Jews who believe in Jesus are saved. As they are disowned by their fellow Jews, & are welcomed into the Church so we don't see many Messianic Jews as a separate body from the Church.

As the Israeli Jews do not believe in the Messiah, the LORD Jesus Christ, whatever they do is not significant prophetically.

We see how the Israelis are treating the Palestinian inhabitants of the Land. Didplacing them from their homes, destroying homes & villages, taking over resources including land & water supply; restricting access to farmland; destroying olive plantations; killing & maiming non-violent protesters; firing tear gas into schools; destroying Gaza & all its infrastructure, while imprisoning its inhabitants - including youngsters who have known nothing by the Israeli siege all their lives; poisoning their crops.

The rockets fired by the Gazans are little more than fireworks, rarely doing any damage - a futile protest, similar to a woman scratching a rapist.

Note what Ezekiel (during the exile) wrote concerning the resettlement of the Land -

47:21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.​

 

[church mouse guy]

Thanks CMG for posts 100 & 101 which show your interpretation of Scripture. Further questions are -

Jesus FINISHED the work given him by his Father, & he assured the disciples after his resurrection that everything he was prophesied to do had been fulfilled.

Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.​

Your are implying/saying that Dan. 9:24 was NOT fulfilled.

“Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy [Place.]​

After 483 years the Lord Jesus was baptised & anointed. 490 years takes us to 3 1/2 years after Calvary.

How did the LORD Jesus Christ fail in his God-given saving work?

Jesus did not fail but He was cut off--put to death and we are on hold in a sin filled world so that we are awaiting the Blessed Hope.

 

[church mouse guy]

"Replacement Theologian" is a pejorative term for people who believe that the New Covenant Church, comprising one redeemed people of God, both Jew & Gentile, is the fulfilment (not replacement) of the Old Covenant with the Abraham & the Patriarchs. Note Gen. 12:3

God did NOT reject Israel, he redeemed Israel. Luke 24:21 There were many thousands baptised by John, many thousands believed in Jesus during his earthly ministry & welcomed him into Jerusalem, and many thousands were converted at Pentecost & throughout the Apostles' ministry, even Pharisees. Nicodemus, Joseph & Paul & see Acts 15. The generation that rejected Jesus, & failed to repent at the Apostles' preaching, perished before & during the AD 70 destruction.

While many claim to be Jews, being a Jew is not significant. They & we have the New Covenant & Jews who believe in Jesus are saved. As they are disowned by their fellow Jews, & are welcomed into the Church so we don't see many Messianic Jews as a separate body from the Church.

As the Israeli Jews do not believe in the Messiah, the LORD Jesus Christ, whatever they do is not significant prophetically.

We see how the Israelis are treating the Palestinian inhabitants of the Land. Didplacing them from their homes, destroying homes & villages, taking over resources including land & water supply; restricting access to farmland; destroying olive plantations; killing & maiming non-violent protesters; firing tear gas into schools; destroying Gaza & all its infrastructure, while imprisoning its inhabitants - including youngsters who have known nothing by the Israeli siege all their lives; poisoning their crops.

The rockets fired by the Gazans are little more than fireworks, rarely doing any damage - a futile protest, similar to a woman scratching a rapist.

Note what Ezekiel (during the exile) wrote concerning the resettlement of the Land -

47:21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.​

Wow! Bet that you don't want to live in Gaza or Israel. The reason the rockets are defanged is that Israel has an iron dome at great expense. The UK needs an iron defense against the rape of young girls by Pakistanis, whose victims are thought to number 100,000 lowest class children--revealing the disgusting British caste system. The UK held the cup of trembling--do you really want it--the US does not. Sorry to be so blunt but Islam has no human rights for anyone.

 

[Covenanter]

Jesus did not fail but He was cut off--put to death and we are on hold in a sin filled world so that we are awaiting the Blessed Hope.

In no way was Jesus' death a frustration or postponement of God's saving purposes. Why did he talk about "my hour" or repeatedly prophecy his betrayal & death - resurrection the third day? Our salvation was achieved by Jesus' death & resurrection.

Luke 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.​

His death accomplished Gabriel's prophecy -

Dan. 9:“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.​

Seventy weeks - 490 years, not 2,500 years.

Had the Jewish leaders not rejected Jesus, how would his saving work have been accomplished? On what basis would our sins be atoned for?

What OT prophecy indicates his triumph without suffering?

 

[church mouse guy]

In no way was Jesus' death a frustration or postponement of God's saving purposes. Why did he talk about "my hour" or repeatedly prophecy his betrayal & death - resurrection the third day? Our salvation was achieved by Jesus' death & resurrection.

Luke 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.​

His death accomplished Gabriel's prophecy -

Dan. 9:“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.​

Seventy weeks - 490 years, not 2,500 years.

Had the Jewish leaders not rejected Jesus, how would his saving work have been accomplished? On what basis would our sins be atoned for?

What OT prophecy indicates his triumph without suffering?

For the third time, Messiah was cut off as Daniel said that He would be. So we are redeemed but He did not make an end to sin and transgression and all those other things that will be accomplished by His return.

 

[ntchristian]

Well, the Jews are gonna build another temple in Jerusalem when the time is right. They have the materials gathered, the instruments made, & are breeding animals such as red heifers to be used in temple rites. And let us remember that Judaism still follows the Old Covenant. (I'm not saying it's RIGHT; i'm just saying what they do.)

This temple will be where the antichrist will commit the "abomination of desolation", that is, he will set up his statue in that temple & proclaim himself to be God. That's the AOD ! (Of course, that would be evil wherever it's done, but Scripture says it'll be done in the temple, & it was not done in the old temples. The Romans merely destroyed the temple, against Titus' wishes.)

And the people Jewish by birth are still Jews & Israelis no matter what their religion. "Replacement Theology" is false.

And another thing that is false is that the Old Covenant remains in effect. Or do you believe that there are two ways to be saved, one way for Jews and another for non-Jews? To me, that would be negating the death and resurrection of Jesus.

 

[Covenanter]

In no way was Jesus' death a frustration or postponement of God's saving purposes. Why did he talk about "my hour" or repeatedly prophecy his betrayal & death - resurrection the third day? Our salvation was achieved by Jesus' death & resurrection.

Luke 24:25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.​

His death accomplished Gabriel's prophecy -

Dan. 9:“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.​

Seventy weeks - 490 years, not 2,500 years.

Had the Jewish leaders not rejected Jesus, how would his saving work have been accomplished? On what basis would our sins be atoned for?

What OT prophecy indicates his triumph without suffering?

For the third time, Messiah was cut off as Daniel said that He would be. So we are redeemed but He did not make an end to sin and transgression and all those other things that will be accomplished by His return.

What you seem to be asserting is that Gabriel's prophecy was not fulfilled in God's 70 week timescale. The prophecy was NOT fulfilled on time because of the unbelief of the Jews. Also that Jesus' God given saving work was frustrated by unbelief.

THe NT Scripture makes it very clear that prophecy concerning the Messiah was perfectly fulfilled in & by the LORD Jesus Christ. On the "hour" & "time" prophesied. No postponement of the 70th week because of unbelief.

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.​

As a reminder -

Dan. 9:“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.​

To finish the transgression, to make an end of sins -

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.​

To make reconciliation for iniquity -

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.​

To bring in everlasting righteousness -

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:​

To seal up vision and prophecy -

Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, ....
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And to anoint the Most Holy -

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
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Scripture clearly attests that Daniel 9 was perfectly fulfilled in the incarnation & saving ministry of the LORD Jesus Christ. In this Gospel age that saving ministry is now being implemented by the Gospel in the Church. In God's sight, in Christ, believers immediately possess spiritually all the perfection of character promised, though as redeemed sinners our actual perfection falls short of our perfection in Christ.

We await our death & resurrection when we will possess all the promises to perfection.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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[Marooncat79]

Simple questions to all of you Replacement Theologists.

1. It is inclusive Theology not replacement ie people from all nations (not just Israel) can now come before God

What is it to you if the Jews were to build a Third Temple?

2. You tell me why there is a need for another Temple? Will sacrafices be reintroduced? Are they efficacious? If so, that makes a mockery of Christs atonement on Calvary especially since the Bible says that His sacrafice was a one time thing and that no other sacrifices matter or are needed.

If you are REALLY so thoroughly convinced that God has cast them off, what possible benefit could it be for the Jews, and what possible harm could it be to you?

3, dispensationalists usually believe that people and Jews can be saved in the Trib or that if they survive the Trib they will be saved. Really? Then why preach the Gospel to anyone Jewish! Why did the Apostles preach repentance to the Jews? Is that why the early Church endured persecution and tribulation at the hands of Jewish Leaders? See Jesus and Stephen.

Why are your denominations politically active against Israel?

4. You sound like Hal Lindsey. Inclusivists do not hate Israel. Liberals do not even believe the Gospel. Denoms that are active against Israel are Apostate- please name one that is not. I seriously cannot think of one

 

[xlsdraw]

4. You sound like Hal Lindsey. Inclusivists do not hate Israel. Liberals do not even believe the Gospel. Denoms that are active against Israel are Apostate- please name one that is not. I seriously cannot think of one

If believing that, in God's marvelous grace and mercy, He will remove the spiritual blindness, that He imposed upon the Jews for 2000 years, during the Great Tribulation, and shall allow many of them to then recognize that Jesus is the Christ, is in RT terminologies, labeled Inclusivist. Then please let me be labeled an Inclusivist.

For the entirety of scripture points towards the glorification of God in doing just exactly that. Strange, how the Replacement Theologists, do not see their redemption, through the most difficult time in human history, as exceptionally glorifying to God. Perhaps, it is because of their own vanity. This is why works, which is self magnifying, is so prevalent in Replacement Theologies.

Christ shall reign for a thousand years from Jerusalem, served by the Israelites, Jacob's offspring.

And in the marvelous grace and mercy of God, he shall also reveal that Jesus is the Christ, to multitudes of people indoctrinated into numerous false theologies. In many countries today, Christianity is legislated against, and children are indoctrinated from a very early age into anti-christianity. God can and will save many out of domineering false theologies during the Great Tribulation.

"And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends."

 

[church mouse guy]

What you seem to be asserting is that Gabriel's prophecy was not fulfilled in God's 70 week timescale. The prophecy was NOT fulfilled on time because of the unbelief of the Jews. Also that Jesus' God given saving work was frustrated by unbelief.

THe NT Scripture makes it very clear that prophecy concerning the Messiah was perfectly fulfilled in & by the LORD Jesus Christ. On the "hour" & "time" prophesied. No postponement of the 70th week because of unbelief.

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.​

As a reminder -

Dan. 9:“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.​

To finish the transgression, to make an end of sins -

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.​

To make reconciliation for iniquity -

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.​

To bring in everlasting righteousness -

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:​

To seal up vision and prophecy -

Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, ....
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And to anoint the Most Holy -

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
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Scripture clearly attests that Daniel 9 was perfectly fulfilled in the incarnation & saving ministry of the LORD Jesus Christ. In this Gospel age that saving ministry is now being implemented by the Gospel in the Church. In God's sight, in Christ, believers immediately possess spiritually all the perfection of character promised, though as redeemed sinners our actual perfection falls short of our perfection in Christ.

We await our death & resurrection when we will possess all the promises to perfection.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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You really seem to think that we have Heaven on earth and all these things are already done on earth. Excuse me for telling you that none of those things are done here on earth and that Heaven will actually be better than this.

 

[Covenanter]

You really seem to think that we have Heaven on earth and all these things are already done on earth. Excuse me for telling you that none of those things are done here on earth and that Heaven will actually be better than this.

No. I do NOT think we have heaven on earth. Like Peter, I am -

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.​

THere is no room for a future millennium in Peter's prophecy.

Note what I wrote in conclusion to my previous post -

Scripture clearly attests that Daniel 9 was perfectly fulfilled in the incarnation & saving ministry of the LORD Jesus Christ. In this Gospel age that saving ministry is now being implemented by the Gospel in the Church. In God's sight, in Christ, believers immediately possess spiritually all the perfection of character promised, though as redeemed sinners our actual perfection falls short of our perfection in Christ.

We await our death & resurrection when we will possess all the promises to perfection.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.​

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Have you ANY Scriptures to support a future fulfilment of the concluding week of the 70 weeks prophecy?

Any Scriptures to refute the fulfilment of of the 70 weeks prophecy by the LORD Jesus Christ in his incarnation & saving ministry?

 

[church mouse guy]

No. I do NOT think we have heaven on earth. Like Peter, I am -

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.​

THere is no room for a future millennium in Peter's prophecy.

Note what I wrote in conclusion to my previous post -

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Have you ANY Scriptures to support a future fulfilment of the concluding week of the 70 weeks prophecy?

Any Scriptures to refute the fulfilment of of the 70 weeks prophecy by the LORD Jesus Christ in his incarnation & saving ministry?

You know, Daniel was told all the things that would be done here on earth but they haven't been done yet but they will when Jesus returns.

Daniel 9:24

There has not been an end to sin, there has not been everlasting righteousness on earth, etc. Messiah was cut off.

 

[Covenanter]

You know, Daniel was told all the things that would be done here on earth but they haven't been done yet but they will when Jesus returns.

These things were accomplished at Jesus first coming - he FINISHED the work given him by his Father. The New Covenant in his blood implements them for the redeemed during the Gospel age. As shown in a previous post, they were all achieved but are being realised in time to the redeemed people of God during the present Gospel age.

Please explain, from Scripture, how all those things would have been achieved at Jesus first coming had the Israelites accepted him - or whatever would have been necessary for the prophecy as you understand it to have been fulfilled.

Daniel 9:24

There has not been an end to sin, there has not been everlasting righteousness on earth, etc. Messiah was cut off.

This is the paradox - those prophecies are fulfilled in Christ even though we do sin - in God's sight in Christ we are sinless, the transgression has been finished, we are reconciled, we are righteous, and the prophecies have been fully realised.

You haven't suggested an explanation for a postponement of the 70th week which began with Jesus baptism & anointing, and logically ended with the stoning of Stephen, when the Jews were declared "uncircumcised".

 

[church mouse guy]

These things were accomplished at Jesus first coming - he FINISHED the work given him by his Father. The New Covenant in his blood implements them for the redeemed during the Gospel age. As shown in a previous post, they were all achieved but are being realised in time to the redeemed people of God during the present Gospel age.

Please explain, from Scripture, how all those things would have been achieved at Jesus first coming had the Israelites accepted him - or whatever would have been necessary for the prophecy as you understand it to have been fulfilled.



This is the paradox - those prophecies are fulfilled in Christ even though we do sin - in God's sight in Christ we are sinless, the transgression has been finished, we are reconciled, we are righteous, and the prophecies have been fully realised.

You haven't suggested an explanation for a postponement of the 70th week which began with Jesus baptism & anointing, and logically ended with the stoning of Stephen, when the Jews were declared "uncircumcised".

I don't know how to explain to you that Messiah was to accomplish all these things but He didn't. There was to be no more sin at all on earth but there still is. That is the reason that we know the Blessed Hope has not occurred as you claim. Nor has the Anti-Christ gotten here yet as you claim. Right now the leading candidate for anti-Christ is Pope Francis.

 

[Covenanter]

I don't know how to explain to you that Messiah was to accomplish all these things but He didn't. There was to be no more sin at all on earth but there still is. That is the reason that we know the Blessed Hope has not occurred as you claim. Nor has the Anti-Christ gotten here yet as you claim. Right now the leading candidate for anti-Christ is Pope Francis.

You are insisting that Gabriel's inspired prophecy was in error.

The 70 weeks/490 years are still running on; the wonderful promises concerning the Messiah were not fulfilled.

Even worse, Jesus' triumphant claim that the saving work given him by his Father was FINISHED was mistaken.

May I suggest that it is you who is in error, not Daniel, not Gabriel & not Jesus?

 

[Covenanter]

I don't know how to explain to you that Messiah was to accomplish all these things but He didn't. There was to be no more sin at all on earth but there still is. That is the reason that we know the Blessed Hope has not occurred as you claim. Nor has the Anti-Christ gotten here yet as you claim. Right now the leading candidate for anti-Christ is Pope Francis.

As for the Antichrist, John was expecting him in his day -

1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.​

The "last time" referring to Jesus' Olivet prophecy of the destruction - AD 70.

John had many to choose from, but does not name a particular one. Paul said he was already active -

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.​

Peter was expecting Jesus to come in judgment in his day - before "this generation" that rejected their Messiah had passed away -

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.​

Peter was looking first to the judgment of those who rejected Jesus, & looking beyond to Jesus final coming to establish the NH&NE. Note Jesus' warning -

Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
Mat 21:41
They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Mat 21:42
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.​

Peter quotes his Master & writes of the Church being the continuing,, holy nation -

1Pe 2:7
Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.​

Verse 9 quotes the LORD's promise to Moses -

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
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Returning to the OP Peter teaches that the true temple of God is the Church, built with believers, living stones. Whatever the Jews do is of no prophetic significance -

1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.​

 

[Covenanter]

I came across this:
"This second temple lasted until AD 70, when it was razed to the ground by Roman soldiers under Titus. Today, many orthodox Jews long to re-establish the temple and its ancient systems, including the sacrifices. Some even hope that the story of Cyrus will be repeated by a modern ruler.

These Jews took great encouragement when Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election in the United States because they remembered his promise to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. They also note that Russian leader Vladimir Putin has expressed a desire for the temple to be restored. “We are poised to rebuild the Temple,” said Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for a group called the Nascent Sanhedrin"..The third temple prophecy

Returning to the OP Peter teaches that the true temple of God is the Church, built with believers, living stones. Whatever the Jews do is of no prophetic significance -

1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

Likewise, Paul wrote -
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.​