Will Theater Massacre Hasten Total Gun Control?

[freeatlast]

Your ignorance of our Constitutional Rights is exceeded only by your ignorance of American History. The "idiotic gunsmoke mentality" never existed. The two guys facing off in the street in front of the saloon? Never happened. Pure Hollywood. You have been watching too much television.There is no excuse for not understanding that the word "assault" is a verb, not a noun. There is no such thing as an "assault rifle." "Assault" is something you do, not something you own.You fail to understand the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. The Declaration of Independence speaks of the right that the people have to "alter or abolish" a government that becomes destructive of its proper ends, namely, securing their inalienable rights. "The most important reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, if necessary, at last resort to protect themselves from tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson.

You can't do that with a small handgun. That takes fire power.Keep all firearms available to law abiding citizens. WE THE PEOPLE, armed, is all that protects you from tyranny. Just say "Thank you" then shut up.

Agreed! The problem today is that most Americans do not understand why the second amendment was written. It was not for hunting or protection although a gun could be used for that. Nor was it simply a pistol or rifle. The right to bear arms was so the people could fight against the government using all the fire power available at the time if it ever got out of control and today it is out of control.
In fact the second amendment actually allows us to own the big stuff of today like anti tank, anti aircraft, tanks and planes, everything the military has. The idea is to be able to be armed as well as the government so we can fight against oppression from the government. We have already lost those rights and they are working on the rest. We are no longer a nation with a constitution that is followed.That is the reason I warn young people about going into the military.

 

[TCassidy]

Well stated TC!

Thank you. I think so too (if I do say so myself, which I do).

 

[TCassidy]

Agreed! The problem today is that most Americans do not understand why the second amendment was written. It was not for hunting or protection although a gun could be used for that. Nor was it simply a pistol or rifle. The right to bear arms was so the people could fight against the government using all the fire power available at the time if it ever got out of control and today it is out of control.
In fact the second amendment actually allows us to own the big stuff of today like anti tank, anti aircraft, tanks and planes, everything the military has. The idea is to be able to be armed as well as the government so we can fight against oppression from the government. We have already lost those rights and they are working on the rest. We are no longer a nation with a constitution that is followed.That is the reason I warn young people about going into the military.

I agree (with the exception of young people going in the military. Young people who are brave enough to keep their oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution, and insist their superiors do so too, are much needed).

A great article on the subject of understanding the Second Amendment can be found at http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT

by J. Neil Schulman

If you wanted to know all about the Big Bang, you'd ring up Carl Sagan, right ? And if you wanted to know about desert warfare, the man to call would be Norman Schwarzkopf, no question about it. But who would you call if you wanted the top expert on American usage, to tell you the meaning of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution ?

That was the question I asked A.C. Brocki, editorial coordinator of the Los Angeles Unified School District and formerly senior editor at Houghton Mifflin Publishers -- who himself had been recommended to me as the foremost expert on English usage in the Los Angeles school system. Mr. Brocki told me to get in touch with Roy Copperud, a retired professor of journalism at the University of Southern California and the author of "American Usage and Style: The Consensus."

Click on the link for the rest of the article.

 

[Sapper Woody]

Nope. More than likely others would be caught in the crossfire. And don't forget, this lunatic was wearing body armor and a helmet.

That line of thinking is irrational, and goes against all the evidence to the contrary.

On the contrary, as long as the gun lunatics rule the roost the more our society will revert back to the idiotic "gunsmoke" mentality of the old west.

There is absolutly no reason for these high powered military "asault" weapons to be available to the general public.

A small hand gun for self defence? No problem.

Assault weapons...BAN THEM!

The problem is, as some have said, that our rights allow us to own any type of weapon. To take away any part of it is still to violate that right.

The second ammendment isn't for hunting, or sporting, or even self defense. It's for national defense against tyranny.

 

[freeatlast]

I agree (with the exception of young people going in the military. Young people who are brave enough to keep their oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution, and insist their superiors do so too, are much needed).

[SIZE=+0]The reason I discourage them is because the constitution is already shredded. They are taking an oath to defend the constitution when they are in fact defending government of immorality and tyranny against its own people.[/SIZE]

 

[Bro. James]

[SIZE=+0]The reason I discourage them is because the constitution is already shredded. They are taking an oath to defend the constitution when they are in fact defending government of immorality and tyranny against its own people.[/SIZE]

Why are so many clamoring to get into this country? We have an all volunteer force with many patriotic citizens and non-citizens defending, not shredding, the U. S. Constitution. This spirit goes back to Valley Forge. The document survives even a Civil War and two World Wars. Have you seen Saving Pvt. Ryan and We were Soldiers Then?
Hollywood-ized for sure--but the patriotism still comes out--loud and clear.

Freedom is not free. The Constitution is still worth defending--to the death.

May I send you an unshredded copy?

Peace,

Bro. James

 

[General Mung Beans]

Gun Control is not happening anytime soon in the US-indeed the trend is toward the opposite with bans on assault weapons for example being allowed to expire. Most Americans are firmly in favour of full Second Amendment rights.

 

[freeatlast]

Why are so many clamoring to get into this country? We have an all volunteer force with many patriotic citizens and non-citizens defending, not shredding, the U. S. Constitution. This spirit goes back to Valley Forge. The document survives even a Civil War and two World Wars. Have you seen Saving Pvt. Ryan and We were Soldiers Then?
Hollywood-ized for sure--but the patriotism still comes out--loud and clear.

Freedom is not free. The Constitution is still worth defending--to the death.

May I send you an unshredded copy?

Peace,

Bro. James

You evidently have no clue what the constitution is about. and how far we have fallen from its original intent. It is in shreds and becoming more so every day. What our military is defending is not the constitution, but a government that has become a tyranny to the people. The unfortunate thing is there are so many like you that have been put to sleep and are actually aiding in the destruction of this nation.

 

[blackbird]

[SIZE=+0]The reason I discourage them is because the constitution is already shredded. They are taking an oath to defend the constitution when they are in fact defending government of immorality and tyranny against its own people.[/SIZE]

Just a question---not a trick one

I understand the use of the 2nd amendment---the protection of the common people against the tyranny of government-----now--here's the question

Out of the billions spent on defence by the national government-----just what type weapon should I keep in store in my basement, backyard, attic, storage room, spare room, under my bedroom mattress, in my gun cabinet, in my truck glove box and under the driver seat---and what sort of weapon should I choose

A M-1 Garuand with a dozen clips??
A M-1 Abrams??
A Cobra attack helicopter??
An A-10 Attack jet
(though I would LOVE to learn to fly these little babies!!!!)

And how many rounds should I keep for each----when I square off against---saaaaaaaay---something as savvy as the 101st Airborne???

Does it occur to anyone that the goverenment of tyranny has the capability to destroy the world ----- even with its conventional style weapons----and that there isn't enough ROOM in my backyard to even land and take off one of those Attack jets to counter even the smaller stuff the tyrannyated goverenment has????????

:type::type:

 

[TCassidy]

Just a question---not a trick one

I understand the use of the 2nd amendment---the protection of the common people against the tyranny of government-----now--here's the question

Out of the billions spent on defence by the national government-----just what type weapon should I keep in store in my basement, backyard, attic, storage room, spare room, under my bedroom mattress, in my gun cabinet, in my truck glove box and under the driver seat---and what sort of weapon should I choose

A M-1 Garuand with a dozen clips??
A M-1 Abrams??
A Cobra attack helicopter??
An A-10 Attack jet
(though I would LOVE to learn to fly these little babies!!!!)

And how many rounds should I keep for each----when I square off against---saaaaaaaay---something as savvy as the 101st Airborne???

Does it occur to anyone that the goverenment of tyranny has the capability to destroy the world ----- even with its conventional style weapons----and that there isn't enough ROOM in my backyard to even land and take off one of those Attack jets to counter even the smaller stuff the tyrannyated goverenment has????????

:type::type:

So, Blackbird, are you saying that you would just roll over and play dead without putting up any sort of fight? Isn't your, your family's, you kid's and grandkid's freedom worth putting up a fight?

Let me see. I seem to remember 135,000 Midianites and Gideon's small band of only 300, yet God gave them the victory.

Can your God still show Himself strong, or has He died and left you all alone?

 

[carpro]

Just a question---not a trick one

I understand the use of the 2nd amendment---the protection of the common people against the tyranny of government-----now--here's the question

Out of the billions spent on defence by the national government-----just what type weapon should I keep in store in my basement, backyard, attic, storage room, spare room, under my bedroom mattress, in my gun cabinet, in my truck glove box and under the driver seat---and what sort of weapon should I choose

A M-1 Garuand with a dozen clips??
A M-1 Abrams??
A Cobra attack helicopter??
An A-10 Attack jet
(though I would LOVE to learn to fly these little babies!!!!)

And how many rounds should I keep for each----when I square off against---saaaaaaaay---something as savvy as the 101st Airborne???

Does it occur to anyone that the goverenment of tyranny has the capability to destroy the world ----- even with its conventional style weapons----and that there isn't enough ROOM in my backyard to even land and take off one of those Attack jets to counter even the smaller stuff the tyrannyated goverenment has????????

:type::type:

How well is the Taliban armed compared to the U.S. Army?

Are some Americans not as resourceful and determined as they?

Are you the kind of person when, faced with oppression, will just throw up your hands and say "kill those that fight, but spare me"?

 

[blackbird]

How well is the Taliban armed compared to the U.S. Army?

Are some Americans not as resourceful and determined as they?

Are you the kind of person when, faced with oppression, will just throw up your hands and say "kill those that fight, but spare me"?

The Taliban is well educated and resourceful----as was the Viet Cong

Would I throw up my hands and say "Kill those that fight, but spare me?"----that wasn't the implication in my post----millions of Germans threw up their hands to Germany's GESTAPO and to their SS

Underground I would go and learn tactics with simple stuff like Montolov Cocktails, Booby Traps, camoflauge----among doxens of other resourceful tactics and manuvers----and I would understand that if I were caught I would be willing to dangle by a rope around my neck just like patriots before my time did when they were so close to tyranny that they could smell its ugly stinkin' breath!!

My greatest fear would probably be-----would there be anyone else besides me underground---I just believe that the vast majority of Americans(including the vast majority---probably along the lines of about 99%---- of those in congress) are too "Weeniefied" to do anything against tyranny---but to see your point---I would go underground "solo" if I had to

 

[freeatlast]

Just a question---not a trick one

I understand the use of the 2nd amendment---the protection of the common people against the tyranny of government-----now--here's the question

Out of the billions spent on defence by the national government-----just what type weapon should I keep in store in my basement, backyard, attic, storage room, spare room, under my bedroom mattress, in my gun cabinet, in my truck glove box and under the driver seat---and what sort of weapon should I choose

A M-1 Garuand with a dozen clips??
A M-1 Abrams??
A Cobra attack helicopter??
An A-10 Attack jet
(though I would LOVE to learn to fly these little babies!!!!)

And how many rounds should I keep for each----when I square off against---saaaaaaaay---something as savvy as the 101st Airborne???

Does it occur to anyone that the goverenment of tyranny has the capability to destroy the world ----- even with its conventional style weapons----and that there isn't enough ROOM in my backyard to even land and take off one of those Attack jets to counter even the smaller stuff the tyrannyated goverenment has????????

:type::type:

Under the constitution it is up to each individual.

 

[carpro]

My greatest fear would probably be-----would there be anyone else besides me underground---I just believe that the vast majority of Americans(including the vast majority---probably along the lines of about 99%---- of those in congress) are too "Weeniefied" to do anything against tyranny---but to see your point---I would go underground "solo" if I had to

On that, we can certainly agree.!!!

Leadership of such an insurrection would most likely have to come from the civilian populace. Of one thing I am certain, the current president would be absent from such a rebellion. He might even be leading the oppressors.

 

[blackbird]

Under the constitution it is up to each individual.

So----according to the constitution-----I have the power to fly my A-10 Attack jet against the wishes of the FAA in time of civil war?? That would be an invasion of federal air space and I could be shot down---couldn't I??? or would there be enough federal pilots who would join me and collaborate with me----you know---give me the "Thumbs up" and a nod of the head in approval instead of intercepting me and shooting my rear end with hot lead????

 

[freeatlast]

So----according to the constitution-----I have the power to fly my A-10 Attack jet against the wishes of the FAA in time of civil war?? That would be an invasion of federal air space and I could be shot down---couldn't I??? or would there be enough federal pilots who would join me and collaborate with me----you know---give me the "Thumbs up" and a nod of the head in approval instead of intercepting me and shooting my rear end with hot lead????

The federal government and its personell is who would be being attacked. Whether you are killed on the ground or air you are dead. You are being foolish and trying to do exactly what the corrupt politicians and courts have done. You and those like you are part of the destruction of the constitution.. The 2nd amendment allows the people to bear arms for the purpose to rise up against a corrupt government. Depending on the time in history what arms are available is what we are permitted to own. There are no limits on what is to be owned or used against the corrupt government so as to take it back and return it to the people.

 

[Don]

At least there's one actor in Hollywood who gets it. And did a nice job of rebutting the British interviewer.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...the_last_form_of_defense_against_tyranny.html

 

[TCassidy]

Tracy Marrow, Ice-T, was a US Army Ranger (Hoooah!). I would expect him to be pro second amendment. Good for him.

 

[Bro. James]

Just a question---not a trick one

I understand the use of the 2nd amendment---the protection of the common people against the tyranny of government-----now--here's the question

Out of the billions spent on defence by the national government-----just what type weapon should I keep in store in my basement, backyard, attic, storage room, spare room, under my bedroom mattress, in my gun cabinet, in my truck glove box and under the driver seat---and what sort of weapon should I choose

A M-1 Garuand with a dozen clips??
A M-1 Abrams??
A Cobra attack helicopter??
An A-10 Attack jet
(though I would LOVE to learn to fly these little babies!!!!)

And how many rounds should I keep for each----when I square off against---saaaaaaaay---something as savvy as the 101st Airborne???

Does it occur to anyone that the government of tyranny has the capability to destroy the world ----- even with its conventional style weapons----and that there isn't enough ROOM in my backyard to even land and take off one of those Attack jets to counter even the smaller stuff the tyrannyated goverenment has????????

:type::type:

Curious: the Afgans have stymied the Russians and now us for several decades.

Amazing what a little courage of conviction can do. Israel is another example of a little guy taking on Goliath.

All we need is a two-edged sword and the whole armour of God. The ones with the blood on the doorposts all survived.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Bro. James]

You evidently have no clue what the constitution is about. and how far we have fallen from its original intent. It is in shreds and becoming more so every day. What our military is defending is not the constitution, but a government that has become a tyranny to the people. The unfortunate thing is there are so many like you that have been put to sleep and are actually aiding in the destruction of this nation.

Casting aspersions does not usually help an argument. Could you be a bit more specific: in terms of constructive criticism. You seem to be offering no hope. Let us give up our citizenship and move to Romania.

Shall we stand down and wait for the Taliban and others to terrorize the world? We have another front: drug interdiction. It is actually more serious than terror. Let's move to Mexico City.

There are multitudes of gungho patriots still on the line or on inactive reserve who can still lock and load-- some of us are in wheel chairs.

Patriotism is a hard thing to tyrannize. There are too many gone before us to throw it away in the face of adversity.

Peace,

Bro. James