FAL-----you've heard the story of the "Shot heard 'round the world", haven't you?????
Well, buddy-----you just fired the second shot----and yours is whats called "Fragging"-----disrespectful and a sign of a coward!!!
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Will Theater Massacre Hasten Total Gun Control?
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FAL-----you've heard the story of the "Shot heard 'round the world", haven't you?????
Well, buddy-----you just fired the second shot----and yours is whats called "Fragging"-----disrespectful and a sign of a coward!!!
freeatlast
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My guess is you are in that number also.
When, what branch, and where did you serve?
Call me cynical, okay, I will call myself cynical, but I really expected it would be discovered some of the shooter's guns came from the "Fast and Furious" operation.
Just sayin....
And while we're on the subject of gun control, don't forget those 30,000 drones over US skies. Where could you go underground? Just sayin....
Just sayin....
And while we're on the subject of gun control, don't forget those 30,000 drones over US skies. Where could you go underground? Just sayin....
Sorry, ma'am; this time, I gotta disagree with you. Near as I can tell, he legally purchased all his guns at Bass Pro Shop.
I fully expect we'll be seeing guns from "Fast and Furious" popping up over the next few years in drug raids, etc.
Well, that's what cammo netting and ghilly suits are for.... <grin, wink>
plain_n_simple
Active Member
You cannot control guns. It's the heart that is the problem, lusts,greed. I could kill with a rock. But why would a person need a gun for protection if he has Jesus?
Where did Jesus say, "let your wife and children be raped and murdered"?
plain_n_simple
Active Member
Where did He say "Fear that your wife and children be raped and murdered"? He said DO NOT FEAR, and He it said 365 times in the NT. Funny coincedence huh?
I see what you're saying. I don't live in fear that my wife and children will be raped. I trust that the Lord will take care of us. But so did Job, and it was allowed that he suffer.
If it were to happen - should I do my best to protect my wife and children? Or let it happen because I don't have the means to protect them?
I don't take comfort in owning a gun. That's the point I think you're trying to make, and I need to ensure you understand that it's not the gun I take comfort in. I pray I never have to use it for that purpose. But I believe God laid down His life for His church; and Ephesians 5 says we are to love our wives the way He loved the church. I will use whatever's available to protect those God has made me a steward over.
plain_n_simple
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The protection of your family lies in your relationship with Jesus. Who can stand against you? None! There is where this difficult faith is. I understand the natural response.
Psalm 82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid (or, in some translations, rescue) [them] out of the hand of the wicked.
Ezekiel 33:
1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 if when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
plain_n_simple
Active Member
Ezekiel would differ from the words of Jesus. God said not to listen to the Law or Prophets any longer, but listen to His Son. He made the distinction on the Mount of Transfiguration. If it concerns Jesus, its ok
I don't go with you interpretation that we should ignore the Law and the Prophets, but if you want to go with what Jesus says in this instance, then that's okay with me:
Luke 22:26
And [Jesus] said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one."
plain_n_simple
Active Member
The Transfiguration in 3 books teaches it. When Jesus came back, "He taught them out of the Law and Prophets, only the things concerning Himself." Paul and a few other places mirror the same. Jesus never taught to kill in self defence, you take that verse out of context, and it's the only like it.
poncho
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Yeah like Hitler did. The second amendment ain't about duck hunting or even saving your butt from an intruder it's about protecting yourself and your country from a rogue government.
One look at history should be enough to convince anyone (sane) that once guns are banned the genocide begins.
You know what we should ban? Welfare. Holmes spent an estimated 10,000 to 20,000 dollars on his weapons and booby traps. Where'd he get the money? Unemployment checks?
"After graduating from UC Riverside, Holmes became a graduate student in neurosciences at the University of Colorado at Denver’s Anschutz Medical Campus, although the university said in a statement that he was in the process of withdrawing. He was currently collecting unemployment, a federal law enforcement official said." source
Unemployment benefits in Colorado "cannot exceed $466 per week". That's not alot of money to live on, pay rent and utilities and do drugs. Street price on prescription drugs are not cheap! So over a 14 month period Holmes spent let's say 15 grand on armaments and drugs. Where'd he get all the money?
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I agree, poncho. Student loans? Federal grants?
And I saw your other thread. The thought crossed my mind about a false flag and the 2nd amendment right after the tragedy happened. You see, I put nothing past this administration, especially in light of Fast and Furious, and I mean nothing.
And I saw your other thread. The thought crossed my mind about a false flag and the 2nd amendment right after the tragedy happened. You see, I put nothing past this administration, especially in light of Fast and Furious, and I mean nothing.
In context it still reads the same way. Furthermore, it only has to be said once to be valid.
If the sword is not to be used in self-defense, how is it supposed to be used? Offensively, to force conversions? (I sincerely doubt it.) To spread butter on your toast? To clean your fingernails?
Nope. The plain meaning of the passage is that things are going to get difficult for the disciples of Jesus and they need to be ready.
I carry a pistol primarily for the defense of other people. It is an option of last resort in the event of someone trying to murder innocents.
Robert Snow
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Do you lock your doors at night? Do you have any insurance?
poncho
Well-Known Member
Remember what Rahm Emanuel said about crisis?
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."
It's not just this administration although I do believe they are as evil as they come. Taking advantage of crisis is what government does. Have you looked into what's been going on in Syria?
I have. Let me sum up. NATO and the US government has been fomenting the violence there by training, funding and arming terrorists that go around murdering people and blaming it all on Assad's government.
The corporate media then tries to use this "crisis" to mold public opinion favorable to all out military intervention.
Same thing happened in Libya almost to the letter.
If our government is willing and it has shown that it is beyond any shadow of a doubt to put thousands upon thousands of people at risk of sectarian violence and death as is going on still in Libya and now Syria how can anyone in their right mind believe our government would refrain from treating it's own people in the same manner to get what it's after?
Government lives and grows by crisis whether it happened by pure chance or the government created it. Look at the financial crisis. What's coming out of that? The consolidation of power. A private global banking system.
Was that a manufactured crisis? Probably. Who benefits?
Man made global warming? Biggest crisis ever? No biggest hoax ever. What's it all about? Global taxes and micro managed control over each of our lives by unelected bureaucrats that don't even live in the USA.
So, yes the government and media will try it's level best to use this "batman" crisis to grab our guns.
And here's the UNITED NATIONS ARMS TRADE TREATY TEXT.
The text of the anticipated and hotly-contested United Nations Arms Trade Treaty has been leaked, with the treaty itself set to be adopted and signed by member States as early as tomorrow, July 27. President Obama, today joining the chorus for gun control inside the United States in the wake of the Batman massacre, has previously indicated that he would sign the treaty, which would then have to be ratified by the Senate.
Masked behind the language of promoting peace in an international world by preventing genocide, the UN has unleashed a great Trojan Horse that calls upon States to enact national legislation sufficient to meet the minimum goals outlined in this treaty– including gun registries, background checks, import/export controls and more for arms of all types, including small & conventional weapons. “Each State Party shall adopt national legislation or other appropriate national measures regulations and policies as may be necessary to implement the obligations of this Treaty,” the treaty text states in part.
It makes specific note that the treaty places no limit upon greater gun control efforts within individual nations, and additionally places no expiration on the agreement. The scope of this language proves the analysis by Infowars (1, 2, 3, 4), writers at Forbes and many other publications that have been warning about this deceptive encroachment to be correct– there is an effort to disarm America underway.
The devil, as usual, is in the details.