PostMil?He is ruling from Heaven with a rod of Iron rule.
The Kingdom is growing worldwide as promised.
He rules in the MIDST of His enemies until the last day.. 1cor15.
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PostMil?He is ruling from Heaven with a rod of Iron rule.
The Kingdom is growing worldwide as promised.
He rules in the MIDST of His enemies until the last day.. 1cor15.
The OT prophets foresaw the Messianic Age as time when Messiah ruled as king over earth, not just from Heaven!The Bible speaks of a Messianic rule on earth which is yet future. It comes back down to what exactly is the New Covenant and does God actually keep His promises or does He change His mind due to a lack of what the A-mills think is a lack of patience.
I think I’m slowly heading that way. Much to learn, much to learn, but I see lots already I agree with.PostMil?
How do you see Revelation then, fully symbolic then?I think I’m slowly heading that way. Much to learn, much to learn, but I see lots already I agree with.
No. But there are lots of symbolic language. Unless you believe every time Christ speaks a literal sword shoots out.How do you see Revelation then, fully symbolic then?
I believe the symbolic parts are easily-discerned, with many being explained later, such as Rev. 17. And some is partially symbolic, such as the 2nd Babylon. I believe the angel was describing a literal city, symbolcally called "Babylon". (The first Babylon still existed in those days, while being quite-unimportant.) But i believe the descriptions of what the antichrist & his sidekick the false prophet will do are quite-literal, as is the descriptions of the trib plagues, and of the millenium, among others.No. But there are lots of symbolic language. Unless you believe every time Christ speaks a literal sword shoots out.
Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world. It comes not with observation. Only the born again can see it. Among many other things that place you among the Pharisees who invented the idea.On another thread, a gent said there won't be any "millenium", despite Scripture's PROVING there will be. I shall now post those Scriptures:
Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Remember, this is after Jesus has returned.
I don't see how that gent can deny there'll be a "millenium" in the face of those Scriptures. Other Readers, what are YOUR thoughts & opinions? Please note the verses surrounding those I posted. The gent who posted the denial is welcome also.
So you don't believe Scripture, either, same as that other chap. Oh well, God said there'd come a great "falling away" before "the end".Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world. It comes not with observation. Only the born again can see it. Among many other things that place you among the Pharisees who invented the idea.
All symbolic language uses words which have a literal meaning [symblism explained Revelation 1:20]. What I find to be crazy Bible interpreations are where what is actually literal are claimed to be symbolic.No. But there are lots of symbolic language. Unless you believe every time Christ speaks a literal sword shoots out.
It's been here since Dispensationalism took root along with American Pentecostalism. Neither of these has roots in historic Christian truth.So you don't believe Scripture, either, same as that other chap. Oh well, God said there'd come a great "falling away" before "the end".
I agree.All symbolic language uses words which have a literal meaning [symblism explained Revelation 1:20]. What I find to be crazy Bible interpreations are where what is actually literal are claimed to be symbolic.
Well, actually, dispensationalism is true. There are several schools of it, which are NOT true, such as the false "seven church ages" doctrine, invented by Darby in Britain & pushed in the US by such charlatans as William Branham. (D. 1965)It's been here since Dispensationalism took root along with American Pentecostalism. Neither of these has roots in historic Christian truth.
Think symbols are used, but also that they point to a literal and plain events happening!No. But there are lots of symbolic language. Unless you believe every time Christ speaks a literal sword shoots out.
Spiritual Kingdom will at His second coming be manifested as physical, as messianic Age on earth!Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world. It comes not with observation. Only the born again can see it. Among many other things that place you among the Pharisees who invented the idea.
Premil was dominant viewpoint in early church until Augustine!It's been here since Dispensationalism took root along with American Pentecostalism. Neither of these has roots in historic Christian truth.
Don't forget the word of faith, modern day Prophets and Apostles teachings!Well, actually, dispensationalism is true. There are several schools of it, which are NOT true, such as the false "seven church ages" doctrine, invented by Darby in Britain & pushed in the US by such charlatans as William Branham. (D. 1965)
But I agree that most pentecostal branches are full of false doctrines such as one MUST "speak in tongues" as proof of salvation, or the heretical "oneness" gang.
I'm fine Tony, thanks.Dave G,
Hello DG,
We have not interacted in a while, hope you are well.
Where did they say that? what verses exactly?The OT prophets foresaw the Messianic Age as time when Messiah ruled as king over earth, not just from Heaven!
Where do you see the mention of Jesus on earth , for a 1000years?There absolutely will be a 1000-year period in which King Jesus will rule physically on the earth from Jerusalem.