Will vaccine division create party splits?

[JonC]

I'm just wondering....75% of Americans have had at least one covid vaccine.

The vaccine us a stringly debated issue.

Trump and Biden agree that everybody should be vaccinated.

Is the vaccine issue enough to split a party?
Number wise it isn't. But as a topic would anti-covid vaccine voters support a candidate telling them they need to be vaccinated and all 3 vaccines are safe (as Trump did last month and Biden did today)?

 

[canadyjd]

I'm just wondering....75% of Americans have had at least one covid vaccine.

The vaccine us a stringly debated issue.

Trump and Biden agree that everybody should be vaccinated.

Is the vaccine issue enough to split a party?
Number wise it isn't. But as a topic would anti-covid vaccine voters support a candidate telling them they need to be vaccinated and all 3 vaccines are safe (as Trump did last month and Biden did today)?

The vaccine will not split anything.

When the government attempts to force vaccines, mask mandates, shutdowns, etc… that could split the country between those that love freedom and/or distrust government meddling and those who believe the “government” will always seek to do what is “right”.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The vaccine will not split anything.

When the government attempts to force vaccines, mask mandates, shutdowns, etc… that could split the country between those that love freedom and/or distrust government meddling and those who believe the “government” will always seek to do what is “right”.

peace to you

You mean realist vs idealist?

 

[Reynolds]

I'm just wondering....75% of Americans have had at least one covid vaccine.

The vaccine us a stringly debated issue.

Trump and Biden agree that everybody should be vaccinated.

Is the vaccine issue enough to split a party?
Number wise it isn't. But as a topic would anti-covid vaccine voters support a candidate telling them they need to be vaccinated and all 3 vaccines are safe (as Trump did last month and Biden did today)?

It's not about whether one supports or opposes vax. It is about whether a candidate supports freedom or supports tyrant.
I will vote for a pro vax, pro freedom candidate.
I will not support a pro or anti vax tyrant. It's about freedom to choose. It's not about the vaccine.

 

[agedman]

When one not vaccinated become a danger to me, it is my business.

 

[SGO]

Put those slime away in the camps.
Will not be able to vote any way if not axed.

 

[Reynolds]

When one not vaccinated become a danger to me, it is my business.

The unvaxed are no more danger to you than the vaxed.

 

[rlvaughn]

When one not vaccinated become a danger to me, it is my business.

In what what way do you mean the unvaccinated becomes a danger to you?

 

[agedman]

The unvaxed are no more danger to you than the vaxed.

Wrong.

I have been attending an independent Baptist church.

On Sunday morning just under two weeks ago, the pastor announced from the pulpit during the message that he was not feeling well and would not be greeting folks after the service.

Nearly the whole staff and choir have come down with COVID, as well as many in the congregation that he had greated before the service. Some are now on life support.

Don’t post that the untaxed are not a danger. They are.

Both my wife and I have immune deficiency, and highly susceptible to illnesses.

Neither of us is frightened, for whatever comes our way is guided by God’s Providence. If He is pleased with our becoming infected that is His business.

But if one is not vaccinated and infects others, perhaps they need to be treated like a person who purposefully spreads a social disease like aids, gonorrhea, or some other such debilitating illness.

 

[JonC]

It's not about whether one supports or opposes vax. It is about whether a candidate supports freedom or supports tyrant.
I will vote for a pro vax, pro freedom candidate.
I will not support a pro or anti vax tyrant. It's about freedom to choose. It's not about the vaccine.

It is with some. Others place the vacvine as evil because scientists came up with it and the government funded it.

I agree we should have the freedom to choose.

I do not mind Biden making it mandatory for federal employees and contractors, and I don't mind it being mandatory if federal funds are received. That, regardless of the validity of a vaccine, is within government authority.

I do not agree with dictating rules for private businesses. But at the same time I get why others support the decision. I just see it as the government overstepping.

Of course, to be transparent, I do not believe the federal government should tax citizens directly either...but I've always been a states rights guy.

 

[rlvaughn]

But if one is not vaccinated and infects others, perhaps they need to be treated like a person who purposefully spreads a social disease like aids, gonorrhea, or some other such debilitating illness.

And how would you treat the one who is vaccinated and infects others?

 

[Reynolds]

Wrong.

I have been attending an independent Baptist church.

On Sunday morning just under two weeks ago, the pastor announced from the pulpit during the message that he was not feeling well and would not be greeting folks after the service.

Nearly the whole staff and choir have come down with COVID, as well as many in the congregation that he had greated before the service. Some are now on life support.

Don’t post that the untaxed are not a danger. They are.

Both my wife and I have immune deficiency, and highly susceptible to illnesses.

Neither of us is frightened, for whatever comes our way is guided by God’s Providence. If He is pleased with our becoming infected that is His business.

But if one is not vaccinated and infects others, perhaps they need to be treated like a person who purposefully spreads a social disease like aids, gonorrhea, or some other such debilitating illness.

The vaxed spread Delta just as bad as the unvaxed. Some doctors say they spread it more due to the fact they are more likely to be asymptomatic. Some say the vaxed spread it a little less because their system clears virus quicker.

 

[agedman]

And how would you treat the one who is vaccinated and infects others?

At least they took good faith measures of prevention, not so with the unvaccinated folks.

 

[agedman]

The vaxed spread Delta just as bad as the unvaxed. Some doctors say they spread it more due to the fact they are more likely to be asymptomatic. Some say the vaxed spread it a little less because their system clears virus quicker.

That may be true, but then if everyone is vaccinated, would we not all be a-symptomatic?
And, is it not a positive to have the virus clear a person more quickly?


Seems like your are presenting good items to get vaccinated.

 

[Reynolds]

That may be true, but then if everyone is vaccinated, would we not all be a-symptomatic?
And, is it not a positive to have the virus clear a person more quickly?


Seems like your are presenting good items to get vaccinated.

You can look at it either way.
The main take away is you being vaxed is to protect you. It does not protect others.

 

[agedman]

You can look at it either way.
The main take away is you being vaxed is to protect you. It does not protect others.

But it does. Because, if I can’t acquire it, I can’t deliver it.

Some have certainly become infected even having been vaccinated, that is why a booster shot is available.

However, it is also true, that the vaccinated have much more capacity to not only refuse the COVID but also those who do acquire it usually have far less recovery problems.

 

[rlvaughn]

But it does. Because, if I can’t acquire it, I can’t deliver it.

But the thing is, you can acquire it.

At least they took good faith measures of prevention, not so with the unvaccinated folks.

If one is vaccinated and does not know he can spread the virus, he is not educated. If one is vaccinated and knows he can spread the virus and does all the things he would not do if unvaccinated, then that is no better good faith than the other. The main takeaway is that you get vaccinated (as Reynolds notes above) to protect yourself, not to protect others.

 

[agedman]

If one is vaccinated and does not know he can spread the virus, he is not educated. If one is vaccinated and knows he can spread the virus and does all the things he would not do if unvaccinated, then that is no better good faith than the other. The main takeaway is that you get vaccinated (as Reynolds notes above) to protect yourself, not to protect others.

I think I replied to Reynold’s post.

 

[agedman]

Does anyone remember the days prior to the polio, tetanus, and diphtheria vaccines?

 

[Reynolds]

But it does. Because, if I can’t acquire it, I can’t deliver it.

Some have certainly become infected even having been vaccinated, that is why a booster shot is available.

However, it is also true, that the vaccinated have much more capacity to not only refuse the COVID but also those who do acquire it usually have far less recovery problems.

You can acquire it. Newest data shows you can acquire it as easily as an unvaxed person. I think you still looking at the old non variant data.