Willful Sin Kills You

[Jason1]

Most christians teach against obeyin the Father. This is a great heresy that has eternal consequences.

Num 15:29 ‘For him who does whatever by mistake there is one Torah, both for him who is native among the children of Yisra’ĕl and for the stranger who sojourns in their midst.
Num 15:30 ‘But the being who does whatever defiantly, whether he is native or a stranger, he reviles יהוה, and that being shall be cut off from among his people.
Num 15:31 ‘Because he has despised the word of יהוה, and has broken His command, that being shall certainly be cut off, his crookedness is upon him.’ ”​

Willful sins = defiant behavior = rebellion = death

Heb 10:26 For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins,
Heb 10:27 but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour?
Heb 10:30 For we know Him who has said, “Vengeance is Mine, I shall repay, says יהוה.” And again, “יהוה shall judge His people.”
Heb 10:31 It is fearsome to fall into the hands of the living Elohim.
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There were no sacrifices for willful sin in the OT. Yeshua whipped the slate clean for those who are true believers (hear and do). There are no sacrifices after this so if you keep on rebelling, then you have to look forward to judgment.

Eze 20:36 “As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Mitsrayim, so I shall enter into judgment with you,” declares the Master יהוה.
Eze 20:37 “And I shall make you pass under the rod, and shall bring you into the bond of the covenant,
Eze 20:38 and purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me. From the land where they sojourn I bring them out, but they shall not come into the land of Yisra’ĕl. And you shall know that I am יהוה.​

Rebels (disobedient) are purged from the chosen ones.

Exo 20:5 you do not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, יהוה your Elohim am a jealous Ěl, visiting the crookedness of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Exo 20:6 but showing kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and guard My commands.

Exo_23:21 “Be on guard before Him and obey His voice. Do not rebel against Him, for He is not going to pardon your transgression, for My Name is in Him.​

Num_15:30 ‘But the being who does whatever defiantly, whether he is native or a stranger, he reviles יהוה, and that being shall be cut off from among his people.
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Disobedience is equated to hating the Father. Rebelling is a death sentence. This is what we are called to do:

Deu 6:4 “Hear, O Yisra’ĕl: יהוה our Elohim, יהוה is one!
Deu 6:5 “And you shall love יהוה your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.
Deu 6:6 “And these Words which I am commanding you today shall be in your heart,
Deu 6:7 and you shall impress them upon your children, and shall speak of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up,
Deu 6:8 and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
Deu 6:9 “And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.​

Exo_20:6 but showing kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and guard My commands.
Deu_5:10 but showing kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and guard My commands.
Joh_14:15 “If you love Me, you shall guard My commands.​

 

[MennoSota]

How many times must YHWH, Yeshua himself, die for all your willful sins?

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

[Jason1]

How many times must YHWH, Yeshua himself, die for all your willful sins?

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

One time, but if you continue your rebellion then there is no more sacrifice (refer to heb 10 above)?

1Pe 2:6 Because it is contained in the Scripture, “See, I lay in Tsiyon a chief corner-stone, chosen, precious, and he who believes on Him shall by no means be put to shame.”
1Pe 2:7 This preciousness, then, is for you who believe; but to those who are disobedient, “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner-stone,”
1Pe 2:8 and “A stone of stumbling and a rock that makes for falling,” who stumble because they are disobedient to the Word, to which they also were appointed.​

 

[MennoSota]

One time, but if you continue your rebellion then there is no more sacrifice (refer to heb 10 above)?

1Pe 2:6 Because it is contained in the Scripture, “See, I lay in Tsiyon a chief corner-stone, chosen, precious, and he who believes on Him shall by no means be put to shame.”
1Pe 2:7 This preciousness, then, is for you who believe; but to those who are disobedient, “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner-stone,”
1Pe 2:8 and “A stone of stumbling and a rock that makes for falling,” who stumble because they are disobedient to the Word, to which they also were appointed.​

So, in your theology, there is no more sacrifice for all humanity based upon the fact that all sin even after Yeshua died for the sins of the elect. All will be damned to hell.
I am amazed that you cling to a religion that condemns you, Jason. You have no hope. You sin everyday and now there is no sacrifice that will atone for your constant sinning. You are so very much condemned, Jason. So very, very wretched and stench filled in YHWH's presence. You have no hope.

 

[Jason1]

So, in your theology, there is no more sacrifice for all humanity based upon the fact that all sin even after Yeshua died for the sins of the elect. All will be damned to hell.
I am amazed that you cling to a religion that condemns you, Jason. You have no hope. You sin everyday and now there is no sacrifice that will atone for your constant sinning. You are so very much condemned, Jason. So very, very wretched and stench filled in YHWH's presence. You have no hope.

Willful sin is a different animal. If you go around rebelling against YHVH then you are in peril.

Come to the truth and be set-apart unto Him. Leave your rebellion behind, your false marcion theology, your vile attacks on His Word. REPENT and keep His torah so that you may live.

 

[MennoSota]

Willful sin is a different animal. If you go around rebelling against YHVH then you are in peril.

Come to the truth and be set-apart unto Him. Leave your rebellion behind, your false marcion theology, your vile attacks on His Word. REPENT and keep His torah so that you may live.

It's not a different animal. Willful sin is willful sin. You do it every time you add a word into a verse that is not originally there. You do it when you willfully deceive and reject the admonition of brothers and sisters who have been redeemed. You willfully sin against YHWH every day, Jason. There is no sacrifice left for you. How depressing. You cling to a religion that has no hope and openly condemns you. Repent, Jason. Turn from your foolish path that leads to hell.

 

[Jason1]

It's not a different animal. Willful sin is willful sin. You do it every time you add a word into a verse that is not originally there. You do it when you willfully deceive and reject the admonition of brothers and sisters who have been redeemed. You willfully sin against YHWH every day, Jason. There is no sacrifice left for you. How depressing. You cling to a religion that has no hope and openly condemns you. Repent, Jason. Turn from your foolish path that leads to hell.

I'm sorry, but all of this is error. One may still sin in ignorance, but if you do it on purpose you show your hate for YHVH. For instance I'm not working today since it is the sabbath of YHVH. That is an act of faith and obedience. I didn't steal, murder, or eat pork today either. All acts of obedience. His yoke is easy.

You reject His gift by continuing in sin. It is not sin to reject the words of those who promote disobedience.

1Jn 2:4 The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1Jn 2:6 The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked.
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[MennoSota]

I'm sorry, but all of this is error. One may still sin in ignorance, but if you do it on purpose you show your hate for YHVH. For instance I'm not working today since it is the sabbath of YHVH. That is an act of faith and obedience. I didn't steal, murder, or eat pork today either. All acts of obedience. His yoke is easy.

You reject His gift by continuing in sin. It is not sin to reject the words of those who promote disobedience.

1Jn 2:4 The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1Jn 2:6 The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked.
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You sin purposefully every day, Jason. You condemn yourself. By rejecting YHWH's atonement you show a blatant disregard for YHWH. YHWH hates your sin. You are a wretch, condemned to hell. Repent before it's too late, Jason.

 

[Jason1]

You sin purposefully every day, Jason. You condemn yourself. By rejecting YHWH's atonement you show a blatant disregard for YHWH. YHWH hates your sin. You are a wretch, condemned to hell. Repent before it's too late, Jason.

This is all wrong again. Your Marcion theology is found to be false and wanting. Pick up your bible and read so you can find the truth before its too late.

 

[MennoSota]

This is all wrong again. Your Marcion theology is found to be false and wanting. Pick up your bible and read so you can find the truth before its too late.

Your denial and refusal to repent doesn't make God's word wrong. It just makes your twisted interpretation of God's word wrong.

You have had many people correct you on this forum, yet you refuse to repent. Look around and see that many Godly saints on this board have called you to repentance. Yet you reject them, despite the many many passages of God's word, which show you are misunderstanding what God has shared.

Unless your hard heart is broken and you are crucified with Christ, you will die in your sins and perish to eternal damnation in hell, Jason. No one on this board wishes for your damnation. We all pray that Yeshua will be gracious to you and give sight to your blind eyes.

 

[Adonia]

I'm sorry, but all of this is error. One may still sin in ignorance, but if you do it on purpose you show your hate for YHVH. For instance I'm not working today since it is the sabbath of YHVH. That is an act of faith and obedience. I didn't steal, murder, or eat pork today either. All acts of obedience. His yoke is easy.

You reject His gift by continuing in sin. It is not sin to reject the words of those who promote disobedience.

1Jn 2:4 The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1Jn 2:6 The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked.
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You do not keep kosher, therefore you sin. Eating a hamburger at McDonalds or beef bought from the Piggly Wiggly is eating unclean food, it's just like eating pork and therefore you are disobeying God's command and you are awash in sin. And I wonder how many other of God's commands you failed to keep on the Sabbath day - there are so many ways you probably do that, yet you continue to fool yourself that you are complying with the law when in reality you are not. Boy are you in one heck of a quandary.

 

[annsni]

Most christians teach against obeyin the Father.

What support do you have for this statement? No Christian I know teaches against obedience.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

For instance I'm not working today since it is the sabbath of YHVH. That is an act of faith and obedience. I didn't steal, murder, or eat pork today either. All acts of obedience. His yoke is easy.

It won't hep you, I'm afraid. 'Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh shall be justified in His sight' (Romans 3:20).
By the way, have you been circumcised? Just wondering.

 

[Jason1]

What support do you have for this statement? No Christian I know teaches against obedience.

Oh, this is very commonplace.

Most christians will say, "The law has been fulfilled and done away with". Or, "We are not under those laws". This is all lawlessness and wrongheaded theology.

 

[Jason1]

It won't hep you, I'm afraid. 'Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh shall be justified in His sight' (Romans 3:20).
By the way, have you been circumcised? Just wondering.

Did you read the verses where it says the opposite that I posted? Does Paul trump James? Does James trump Paul? Or is it that the understanding is in error?

 

[annsni]

Oh, this is very commonplace.

Most christians will say, "The law has been fulfilled and done away with". Or, "We are not under those laws". This is all lawlessness and wrongheaded theology.

But just because the law has been fulfilled doesn't mean Christians are teaching to disobey God. I've honestly never seen that. Of course we don't obey the 600+ laws because they were not all given to us.

 

[Jason1]

But just because the law has been fulfilled doesn't mean Christians are teaching to disobey God. I've honestly never seen that. Of course we don't obey the 600+ laws because they were not all given to us.

You're right, christians talk out of both sides of their mouth. They say the law was done away with, but then say you have to obey. So the question comes down to, "Obey what?"

Obedience is always the same - every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Father. The Word of Elohim stands forever and the torah is the rock to build doctrine off of.

Christians will obey most of the torah with a couple notable exceptions:

1. They break the 7th day sabbath
2. They eat unclean meats (how He says to be set-apart)
3. Divorce rates just as high as the secular world
4. Homosexuality creeping into churches, pulpits, and general acceptance.
5. They keep idolatrous holidays such as xmas and easter
6. They don't pay much recognition to the feast days of YHVH (lev 23)
7. Nobody wears tzitzit (num 15)​

This is a list off the top of my head. Other laws may vary based on the person, but since there is no real dedication to the commands of YHVH since they say they are arbitrary once fulfilled, then a person loses respect for the Words.

Some on this forum take a stance that obedience is against the Creator. The theology is so backwards that they take on the doctrine of demons.

 

[Cephas]

So I believe the key to this whole thing is the attitude of the heart and the direction of your life. I've studied this quite a bit and have come to the conclusion that a big part of the Hebrews verse is ..if we Go on SINNING WILLFULLY....has to do with a present continuous action. If willful sin cannot be forgiven we are all doomed. There are strong warnings in scripture for a reason. I do not believe in unconditional eternal security. Just look how many times the word "if" is used in scripture. Davids sin with Bathsheba was forgiven. Peters denial was forgiven. Samson was forgiven. The thief on the cross was forgiven. But they all turned. Sin is incredibly destructive and deceiving. It would be foolish to think someone can sin all they want and turn back to God whenever they want. The heart can be so hardened at that point repentance could be impossible.

 

[Trotter]

Willful sin is a different animal. If you go around rebelling against YHVH then you are in peril.

Come to the truth and be set-apart unto Him. Leave your rebellion behind, your false marcion theology, your vile attacks on His Word. REPENT and keep His torah so that you may live.

First time back on the BB is a very, very long time. I saw this one in one of the emails from the BB and had to come and see. Yep, it is definitely a very special kind of stup... erm, special.

I read through the posts a couple of times completely confused, and then I finally saw the last sentence on the quoted post and the lights came on. Honestly I am amazed that Jason can even type out YHWH without having to use an asterisk somewhere in the spelling.

The sacrifice wrought by Christ on Golgotha was not an ordinary sin offering. He, God very God, stepped in for all of humanity and paid the sin price we all would owe. His was a single sacrifice, but it was a sacrifice for all time; it will forever cover the cost of sin no matter if they happened a week after His ascension, two thousand years later, or (should He tarry) ten thousand years from now. His substitutionary death gave men the way by which they can be saved. Once a person is saved through Christ, once his righteousness is credited to that person's account, that person is therefore righteous before God Himself. This substituionary righteousness is not provisional as Jesus stated when He said that He and His Father were one and that no one can pluck them out of His hand.

Jason is trying to live by the Torah and hence under the Law. The problem with that is that he is spurning that which Jesus has done for us. No one besides the Son of God can live the Law perfectly; any who try will fail and face their well deserved condemnation.

 

[Jason1]

First time back on the BB is a very, very long time. I saw this one in one of the emails from the BB and had to come and see. Yep, it is definitely a very special kind of stup... erm, special.

I read through the posts a couple of times completely confused, and then I finally saw the last sentence on the quoted post and the lights came on. Honestly I am amazed that Jason can even type out YHWH without having to use an asterisk somewhere in the spelling.

The sacrifice wrought by Christ on Golgotha was not an ordinary sin offering. He, God very God, stepped in for all of humanity and paid the sin price we all would owe. His was a single sacrifice, but it was a sacrifice for all time; it will forever cover the cost of sin no matter if they happened a week after His ascension, two thousand years later, or (should He tarry) ten thousand years from now. His substitutionary death gave men the way by which they can be saved. Once a person is saved through Christ, once his righteousness is credited to that person's account, that person is therefore righteous before God Himself. This substituionary righteousness is not provisional as Jesus stated when He said that He and His Father were one and that no one can pluck them out of His hand.

Jason is trying to live by the Torah and hence under the Law. The problem with that is that he is spurning that which Jesus has done for us. No one besides the Son of God can live the Law perfectly; any who try will fail and face their well deserved condemnation.

Apparently you haven't read enough of my postings. I've always said he was the offering for all sins (willful and ignorant). But according to heb 10, if you sin willfully after arriving at the truth, there is no more sacrifice for these sins and a looking forward to judgment.