Thanks for that informative post. Look forward to many more.:thumbsup:
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Wisconsin government union debacle spreads...
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Thanks for that informative post. Look forward to many more.:thumbsup:
About many things I'm sure, but it doesn't seem to be the case with Wisconsin politics and macroeconomics.
:laugh: :thumbsup:
Robert Snow
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Your welcome.
#35 from MP
First point made by a liberal that is totally accurate and even reasonably close to functional truth concerning the economy:
"THERE AIN'T NO FREE LUNCH!"
Now if they would just practice this concept re: all their pet loves--!!??:smilewinkgrin:
Ain't holding my breath tho'......:sleep:
First point made by a liberal that is totally accurate and even reasonably close to functional truth concerning the economy:
"THERE AIN'T NO FREE LUNCH!"
Now if they would just practice this concept re: all their pet loves--!!??:smilewinkgrin:
Ain't holding my breath tho'......:sleep:
SpiritualMadMan
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FYI...
For those of you who do not read Sc-Fi...
TANSTAAFL
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch!
For those of you who do not read Sc-Fi...
TANSTAAFL
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch!
Taxes formerly paid????
Why "Must they be made up"
Less money coming in - cut your outgoing budget. Usually you do that by reducing extras - NOT necessities.
http://www.alternet.org/story/14998...in's_uprising?akid=6551.85218.WUfN_A&rd=1&t=2
Last week, Mother Jones reported that masses of Tea Partiers would be bussed in by American Majority, a corporate-backed right-wing astro-turf operation, causing many progressive commenters to note the irony of the Tea Party's new-found devotion to Big Government. As it turned out, approximately 2,000 arrived -- along with Andrew Breitbart -- only to find themselves out-numbered by pro-union demonstrators by a ratio as high as 35 to 1.
Last week, Mother Jones reported that masses of Tea Partiers would be bussed in by American Majority, a corporate-backed right-wing astro-turf operation, causing many progressive commenters to note the irony of the Tea Party's new-found devotion to Big Government. As it turned out, approximately 2,000 arrived -- along with Andrew Breitbart -- only to find themselves out-numbered by pro-union demonstrators by a ratio as high as 35 to 1.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/19/AR2011021904205.html
Asked whether his experiences with unions as county executive had influenced his bill to curb state employee benefits and put tight restrictions on their collective-bargaining rights - the same measure that brought the chanting masses to his doorstep - he didn't hesitate.
"Absolutely," he said. "Totally."
Asked whether his experiences with unions as county executive had influenced his bill to curb state employee benefits and put tight restrictions on their collective-bargaining rights - the same measure that brought the chanting masses to his doorstep - he didn't hesitate.
"Absolutely," he said. "Totally."
I feel so ashamed at the tea-party doing such a horrible thing such as protesting. Don't they realize that only libs have the right to protest?
Or is that most Tea-baggers actually work for a living, and could not attend.
Earth to billwald: The reason more union protesters are there is because the rest of us actually work for a living, and don't get to take off to throw a fit (and get a doc's excuse for being "sick.")
Responsible, working people are busy providing for our families. We don't have time to waste our time, money, and the tax dollars of others.
Of course, being a union sycophant, you wouldn't understand. But you can take my word for it.
glfredrick
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Salty, do you know what the term "tea bagger" means? Why use it when it would seem that you are in favor of their position. (If you don't know, PM me and I'll explain it to you.)
It is not good
SpiritualMadMan
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Tea-Bagger a derogatory term used by Liberals and Progressives to demean and otherwise put down Tea Party Adherents.
I am not sure of the original useage or their meaning...
But, sand bagger, which means deception and deliberate hyperbole.
Or, a limp useless tea bag. If you are a tea drinker there are few things worse than foregtting to remove your tea bag in a timely manner after brewing...
At any rate, Tea Bagger is *not* a term of endearment...
I am not sure of the original useage or their meaning...
But, sand bagger, which means deception and deliberate hyperbole.
Or, a limp useless tea bag. If you are a tea drinker there are few things worse than foregtting to remove your tea bag in a timely manner after brewing...
At any rate, Tea Bagger is *not* a term of endearment...
glfredrick
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If only...
I'll try to gingerly explain the term as used in today's slang -- and why it is so reprehensible when used to describe a political movement of people who assumed the name "Tea Party" to align themselves with the acts of history in the Boston Harbor. "Tea-bagging" is SNIP
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The whole issue of unions is frustrating imo.
If there are no unions, employers have a long history (since the very beginning of paid labor) of mistreating and exploiting workers to their own profit as far as the law will allow, and farther.
If there are unions, they become business cliques, protectors of good-ol'-boy clubs, and reinforcers of nepotism. They arrogantly promote themselves at the cost of all others, exclude those without personal connections, and even try to prevent others from getting jobs. They've done more than the U.S. tax code to drive companies overseas, imho.
If there's a solution before Christ's coming, I don't know what it is. Maybe weaker unions, with by-law-unpaid leadership, forced to accept newly hired workers, with publicly elected mediators to resolve conflicts, etc.
If there are no unions, employers have a long history (since the very beginning of paid labor) of mistreating and exploiting workers to their own profit as far as the law will allow, and farther.
If there are unions, they become business cliques, protectors of good-ol'-boy clubs, and reinforcers of nepotism. They arrogantly promote themselves at the cost of all others, exclude those without personal connections, and even try to prevent others from getting jobs. They've done more than the U.S. tax code to drive companies overseas, imho.
If there's a solution before Christ's coming, I don't know what it is. Maybe weaker unions, with by-law-unpaid leadership, forced to accept newly hired workers, with publicly elected mediators to resolve conflicts, etc.
http://www.alternet.org/story/14998...prising_against_gov._scott_walker?page=entire
"We reported earlier that Walker single-handedly killed high-speed rail between Milwaukee and Madison, and is trying to establish regulations that would make wind-farms very difficult to set up in Wisconsin. But there's more to this story, as Dave Johnson reported yesterday for PRWatch. Tucked into Walker's bill is a provision which allows the sale of "any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant ... with or without solicitation of bids."
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/02...y-handing-state-assets-walker-supporter-koch-
"The fight in Wisconsin is over Governor Walker's 144-page Budget Repair Bill. The parts everyone is focusing on have to do with the right to collectively bargain being stripped from public sector unions (except for the unions that supported Walker running for Governor). Focusing on this misses a large part of what the bill would do. Check out this language, from the same bill (my bold):
"16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).
"The bill would allow for the selling of state-owned heating/cooling/power plants without bids and without concern for the legally-defined public interest."
"We reported earlier that Walker single-handedly killed high-speed rail between Milwaukee and Madison, and is trying to establish regulations that would make wind-farms very difficult to set up in Wisconsin. But there's more to this story, as Dave Johnson reported yesterday for PRWatch. Tucked into Walker's bill is a provision which allows the sale of "any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant ... with or without solicitation of bids."
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/02...y-handing-state-assets-walker-supporter-koch-
"The fight in Wisconsin is over Governor Walker's 144-page Budget Repair Bill. The parts everyone is focusing on have to do with the right to collectively bargain being stripped from public sector unions (except for the unions that supported Walker running for Governor). Focusing on this misses a large part of what the bill would do. Check out this language, from the same bill (my bold):
"16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).
"The bill would allow for the selling of state-owned heating/cooling/power plants without bids and without concern for the legally-defined public interest."
The etymology is not political, but much nastier.
It is a phrase that describes an act of sexual lewdness, originating from the wildest section of g*y culture. Not saying any more. But it's filthy, and IMHO shouldn't be used in any context on the BB. I wish the mods would clamp down on its usage. Maybe they do, and all instances simply aren't reported.
Suffice it to say, there isn't a setting in which said term can be used appropriately.
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