npetreley said:
First, verses 19-20 do not exist in a vacuum. There are multiple conditions connected by AND not by "THE FOLLOWING WILL NATURALLY RESULT IF YOU..."
Command you to do what?
Here's where you want to insert a "then the next part will follow -- but that's NOT what the text says. It says AND. There are more conditions in this contract, and they include keeping His commandments, His statutes, His judgements.
Huh? First, I have no idea what you're saying. Second, there's nothing even remotely like that in the text.
The problem is the YOUR verses exist in a vacuum. I gave a basic verse by verse rendering the text involved so the content is allowed to establish context. I haven't see you do this, but you have sectioned them and tried to use them out of their contexual order (specifically future second coming and present). The part you are wishing to establish your proof text on IS A future event; the seconding coming.
Up till then here HAS BEEN NO dispursement nor blessing. BOTH of those things must come to pass as says verse 1 in conjuction with the previous chapter (29) which establish what the blessing and cursings are.
Yes, the SCRIPTURE says directly and specifically regardless of you person preference; in 19 and 20 - If you...then you will...
Your multiple conditions are met in their faith. Read Hebrew 11 for specific people and read the OT to see Gods blessing (which is the result of obey His commands) through much of OT (specifically in through the middle) and then the cursing specifically (at its most predominant part) in the later part of OT and the NT. Then look at the prophetic scriptures which speak of God bringing them back unto Himself AFTER BOTH OF THESE come to pass. Remember this covenant is a perpetual covenant to Israel and their desendents.
Did THAT generation spoken to in Duet. get dispursed and have to be ragerthered a nation, which is proof they did not keep their commitment to the commands of God (The Covenant). No, they went over the Jordan and took the Land, proof they were obeying the commands of God.
Your problem is your understanding of scripture and therefore you can not recieve the text AS IT IS.
It states :
Deu 30:14 But the word [is] very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Deu 30:15 ¶ See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
God says the abibity is there but NOT in works or deed but in "word", which is both in their mouth and heart THAT YOU MAY DO IT. Paul elaborates on this in Romans 10 (speaking of Israel at his time - dispursement)
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Rom 10:6 But
the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not
in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down [from above]
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and
in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe
in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with
the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
He explains earlier the pharisaical view of living by the Law to be righteous does not give true righteousness unto salvation because we fall short against it, but HERE he states that word is the word which is faith and they shall be saved by it and using the SAME verse from Duet 30. They will be made into a right relationship with God NOT through works of keeping the Law but faith because of what the Law reveals. It is the same message in Duet. and Paul is expressely state stating this,a and you are missing this point. God isn't saying obey me to the letter but believe because you are incapable and only through me (choosing life) will you be able WITH ME to do all these things in a pleasing way dispite your inability to keep all the law.
Otherwise Israel would have NEVER become a great Nation because they could not keep all the law all the time. But God blessed them in accordance WITH the command in the Covenant, WHy?? They did not do all God commanded them but they were still blessed as though they did. It is because they CHOOSE Life (vs 19) and they will...(vs 20) Then it was up to the next generation to do the same, and the next, and the next, and here is where we see Israel fall, then stand, then fall, then stand, Stand TALL, and then what a great fall. They stood when the choose God and fell when the followed after other gods and became a rebellious people. Rebellious toward what? The Covenant/God.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Though this scripture is AFTER Christs death and resurrection, the principle is still true for the Jews in Duet. If you choose life you are free from death.
Yes the scripture does say just what I declared to you. Your the one jumping all over the text, I went verse by verse.
Here's where you want to insert a "then the next part will follow -- but that's NOT what the text says. It says AND. There are more conditions in this contract, and they include keeping His commandments, His statutes, His judgements.
Actaully your wrong and scripture declares it very LOUDLY.
Deu 30:15 ¶ See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Deu 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
Deu 30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he [is] thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them
Now just so we understand scripture, it says life and death are set before them - God then commands they do "X" amount of thingS and they will be blessed and posses the Land.
YOU stated: No man except Jesus has ever done this.
Yet scritpure says if they will OBEY ALL of these things the will go over the Jordan and posses the Land. WHICH THEY DID!
So either God lied, or your understanding of this text is out of sync with the context it is speaking to.
They walked in fulfillment of the Covenant and as promised they took the Land, and finished taking all God had promised their faithers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Now since we KNOW they could not do this without fouling up daily, because they were still mortal men just how could God honestly bless them in accordance with the covenant. Because of VERSE 19.
IT was about "choosing" LIFE!
And each generation had to do the same. Which is why some generations were blessed in accordance with the Covenant and others were Cursed in accordance with the Covenant. It is about faith that is nigh thee np, even in your mouth. IF you will...but IF you will not... That speaks volumes.
And the emphasis is on "You".
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Please go back, if you would. And address post #29.