Witnessing to Catholics

[evangelist6589]

It is, but that also can be seen as not really wanting to engage the other persom, more like a dump and run and saying to God, I donemy duty to witness!

God want to work thu our relationships more, that is all..

Not true. You can't force the other person to talk if he does not want too so a tract is best.

 

[Yeshua1]

Agreed, but it is something.

HankD

Indeed, asth Lordll use any mean to reach someone with Jesu, so tracks are fine, just prefer personal approach myself!

 

[evangelist6589]

Not a negative view, but thinking tha much better to be friends with someone and have yourlife and words and deeds witness to them!

I have never had someone walk up to me and say they wanted to be a Christian because of my life. Honestly do not know if one can outdo the Mormon on doing good deeds. No it's the gospel that changes lives!

 

[Yeshua1]

Not true. You can't force the other person to talk if he does not want too so a tract is best.

I am speaking more to using friendship evangelism when possible, as that is superior to a track!
But if handing them out at a function or outing, that is good as.

 

[Yeshua1]

I have never had someone walk up to me and say they wanted to be a Christian because of my life. Honestly do not know if one can outdo the Mormon on doing good deeds. No it's the gospel that changes lives!

Being a goodfriendto someone gives you the "streett crud" to have them want to listen to you!
More people have gotten saved thru a friend or family or some other realtionship than from tracks!

 

[HankD]

Yeshua does not understand that most of the time people do not want to talk or are too busy but may read a tract and why they are useful. In DT Denver most are going to and fro and so a tract is the best way to witness to them. However in others areas where people have time to chat obviously a personal conversation is the best way to witness.

Understood. A lot of tracts will end up tossed in the trash but some will be read.

HankD

 

[HankD]

Indeed, asth Lordll use any mean to reach someone with Jesu, so tracks are fine, just prefer personal approach myself!

Of course, that is the best.

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Ya, It happened to me, but it was while I was reading the Gospel of John.
The light came on.
I went back to the RCC because I was yet a babe in Christ.

After about two years I left the Catholic church never to return except to go to a wedding or funeral.
I floundered around for another year or so and my wife (former Mormon) and I ended up in Baptist churches.
We were baptized together at Tremont Temple Baptist Church in Boston 1966.

HankD

And it happened to me as well.....Presbyterian, then I went to a United Methodist church, then I looked at Lutheren Church. Could never understand how Catholics could go up & down the sacruments then sin & go to the guy in the box for absolution. How could that be salvation I thought...even though that was fairly easy (Church / Mass on sunday, sin Mon through Friday & then Confession on Saturday) Man you could even do a Good Act of Contrition & not even have to go to Confession....like how "Religion" is that!

But typical old line / main line protestant churches didnt do it for me either. Not until I was Transformed/ Regenerated/ Saved did I take the whole church thing quite seriously....but like the song says, "I Still Havent Found What Im Looking For)....not with the baptists either.

Recently however, Ive been reading Franciscan doctrines & I'm impressed. They are not 'Same Old Same Old', but rather answer some of the questions I have about life on this side of death. Like is there any? Its really quite radical & honestly I was quite surprised that the RCC allowed them to practice their own conceptional doctrines (IE they teach people how to meet God in this world while keeping one foot in this world & one foot in the next). In short, its very balanced, very humble, very earthy & loving. They are very big on the Pascal Mystery thing---Christ is born, Christ is Risen & Christ will come again. Now when was the last time you heard that in a Baptist Church?!?

Now don't start thinking that I'm moving away from Baptist's, I am not but the Franciscans are very Kingdom oriented, action oriented & prayerful/contemplative. Its kinda refreshing.

 

[HankD]

And it happened to me as well.....Presbyterian, then I went to a United Methodist church, then I looked at Lutheren Church. Could never understand how Catholics could go up & down the sacruments then sin & go to the guy in the box for absolution. How could that be salvation I thought...even though that was fairly easy (Church / Mass on sunday, sin Mon through Friday & then Confession on Saturday) Man you could even do a Good Act of Contrition & not even have to go to Confession....like how "Religion" is that!

But typical old line / main line protestant churches didnt do it for me either. Not until I was Transformed/ Regenerated/ Saved did I take the whole church thing quite seriously....but like the song says, "I Still Havent Found What Im Looking For)....not with the baptists either.

Recently however, Ive been reading Franciscan doctrines & I'm impressed. They are not 'Same Old Same Old', but rather answer some of the questions I have about life on this side of death. Like is there any? Its really quite radical & honestly I was quite surprised that the RCC allowed them to practice their own conceptional doctrines (IE they teach people how to meet God in this world while keeping one foot in this world & one foot in the next). In short, its very balanced, very humble, very earthy & loving. They are very big on the Pascal Mystery thing---Christ is born, Christ is Risen & Christ will come again. Now when was the last time you heard that in a Baptist Church?!?

Now don't start thinking that I'm moving away from Baptist's, I am not but the Franciscans are very Kingdom oriented, action oriented & prayerful/contemplative. Its kinda refreshing.

I understand. Some of the Catholic Orders are much more Christocentric than those priests ordained to serve the laity. Of course those dealing with the masses are constrained to keep them in bondage (as you alluded) weekly sacrament of absolution, Eucharist, sin during the week then repeat - sacrament of absolution, Eucharist,etc...
Keep coming back to stay out of hell, purgatory, well maybe...

HankD

 

[Yeshua1]

I understand. Some of the Catholic Orders are much more Christocentric than those priests ordained to serve the laity. Of course those dealing with the masses are constrained to keep them in bondage (as you alluded) weekly sacrament of absolution, Eucharist, sin during the week then repeat - sacrament of absolution, Eucharist,etc...
Keep coming back to stay out of hell, purgatory, well maybe...

HankD

They still would holding to the bad doctrines of the Church though, correct? Such as Purgetory/Mary/Faith and Works etc?

 

[HankD]

They still would holding to the bad doctrines of the Church though, correct? Such as Purgetory/Mary/Faith and Works etc?

Yes, These are the tools of a sacerdotal priesthood, to maintain sanctifying grace through a works or sacramental system. In total opposition to the eternal security of the believer.

Babes in Christ can be brought into bondage to this kind of system. However, as in my case study of the scripture and the chrisma (see 1 John 2:27) of the Holy Spirit brought me into worship in spirit and in truth.

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I understand. Some of the Catholic Orders are much more Christocentric than those priests ordained to serve the laity. Of course those dealing with the masses are constrained to keep them in bondage (as you alluded) weekly sacrament of absolution, Eucharist, sin during the week then repeat - sacrament of absolution, Eucharist,etc...
Keep coming back to stay out of hell, purgatory, well maybe...

HankD

Not the Franciscans I know. 1st they are the ones that feed most of the poor & homeless in Manhattan. They also believe in going out to others in every country....particularly the poor.

 

[Bro. James]

A basic false presumption: Catholicism is The Church and all other Christian groups came out from her. This just is not so. Universal Church is an insidious error which has been around since before the council of Nicea. New Testament Churches are visible and local--always have been, always will been--never a part of Rome. The universal church has never assembled--in this world.

This is a pivotal doctrine.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[HankD]

Not the Franciscans I know. 1st they are the ones that feed most of the poor & homeless in Manhattan. They also believe in going out to others in every country....particularly the poor.

Yes through St Vincent De Paul The RCC fed us when I was a teenager and my step father was in jail.
But so did the Free Masons.

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes through St Vincent De Paul The RCC fed us when I was a teenager and my step father was in jail.
But so did the Free Masons.

HankD

Where were the Baptists? Free Masons----The RCC excommunicated my uncle Pat for belonging to them so he told them to pound sand & joined the Lutherans....LOL!

 

[HankD]

Where were the Baptists? Free Masons----The RCC excommunicated my uncle Pat for belonging to them so he told them to pound sand & joined the Lutherans....LOL!

We also received help from the Salvation Army. For whatever reason they were made the distribution facility for government surplus foods, beans, rice, powdered milk, canned chicken (not as bad as it sounds)!

I would walk 10 blocks with a little wagon, load up with the surplus food plus a few extras the woman in charge would give me. Then 10 blocks back.

At Thanksgiving and Christmas time the Masons would come to our house with baskets of food (Lots of food!), clothing and a few toys. They had the best stuff plus a turkey. My step father who was in jail was a Mason so I think he sent them. There were 6 of us - two sets of twins and a sister, I was the oldest.

I also received money for lunch at school from a private charitable organization.
I had to sign for it every month and promise I would only spend it for lunch.

The RCC gave us Vatican coins which could only be spent for food at certain stores.
Mercifully the Cajun store folks let me (Yes, I was a minor!) take 1 bottle of wine and 1 pack of cigarettes home for my mother.

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We also received help from the Salvation Army. For whatever reason they were made the distribution facility for government surplus foods, beans, rice, powdered milk, canned chicken (not as bad as it sounds)!

I would walk 10 blocks with a little wagon, load up with the surplus food plus a few extras the woman in charge would give me. Then 10 blocks back.

At Thanksgiving and Christmas time the Masons would come to our house with baskets of food (Lots of food!), clothing and a few toys. They had the best stuff plus a turkey. My step father who was in jail was a Mason so I think he sent them. There were 6 of us - two sets of twins and a sister, I was the oldest.

I also received money for lunch at school from a private charitable organization.
I had to sign for it every month and promise I would only spend it for lunch.

The RCC gave us Vatican coins which could only be spent for food at certain stores.
Mercifully the Cajun store folks let me (Yes, I was a minor!) take 1 bottle of wine and 1 pack of cigarettes home for my mother.

HankD

Praise God there is still some charity in the world. The military provides an escape.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

They still would holding to the bad doctrines of the Church though, correct? Such as Purgetory/Mary/Faith and Works etc?

LOL...they hold strongest to the doctrine of emulating Christ with varying vows of poverty. You meet God in the face of your neighbor and so God comes to you disguised as your life.

 

[HankD]

Praise God there is still some charity in the world. The military provides an escape.

Yes, I am a veteran and the USAF Data Processing stayed with me until this day, the GI bill payed for my undergraduate degree.

HankD

 

[Yeshua1]

A basic false presumption: Catholicism is The Church and all other Christian groups came out from her. This just is not so. Universal Church is an insidious error which has been around since before the council of Nicea. New Testament Churches are visible and local--always have been, always will been--never a part of Rome. The universal church has never assembled--in this world.

This is a pivotal doctrine.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

Invisible Church exists, as that is the Body of Christ of all saved since time of Chrsit, so not Church of Rome, but Church of Christ!