Woman with Conceal Carry Permit Shoots at Fleeing Shoplifter

[TCassidy]

I'm sure a person who has lost a loved one in one of these incidents don't care.

So we should not base our action on facts but on emotion?

It does not ease their pain or bring back the person they lost.

And will more gun control laws ease their pain or bring back their loved ones?

These mass shooting are becoming more and more common

I have shown that not to be the case.

and their being committed by persons who legally own or have access to legally owned guns.

So if the present gun control laws did not stop the killing what laws do you propose that will do so?

 

[TCassidy]

One thing to keep in mind, for the most part simple possesion of non-automatic action firearms is not licensed in the US. Concealed Carry is.

Concealed carry is licensed in some states. Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Vermont and Wyoming are constitutional carry states. No license required.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I stand corrected.

Concealed carry is licensed in some states. Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Vermont and Wyoming are constitutional carry states. No license required.

 

[TCassidy]

I stand corrected.

We are hoping to add Texas to that list next session of the Texas State Legislature. As we have a part-time legislature which only meets every other year we will not be able to take the issue up until the 2017 session.

 

[777]

I'm assuming that when you said 'that guy' you was referring to me and your quite right, I am from the UK but what as that got to do with anything? I haven't even given my opinion as to what I think the US will or won't, should or shouldn't do in the circumstances.

I have asked a person whose had a license to carry a firearm for over 50 years and who IS an American his views though.

So what's with the dismissive tone that just because I don't live in the US, I don't have the right to comment?

But you did give your opinion here:

And that my friends is why there is a growing voice for firearms to be restricted across all sectors of society.

Who in their right mind would pull their gun and start shooting wildly at a car driven by a shop lifter? Did she do a forward roll and slide across the bonnet of her car as well?

As others have said, she's clearly not stable enough to carry, so. License revoked.

That you thought the bystander was "unstable" and that her license to carry should be revoked, along with contending that there is a increasing consensus for firearm restrictions. My point was not that you are in the UK but that you being in the UK, you may just get your news from The Guardian and only the American left is pushing for gun control here. They will fail, again.

But my real problem was with the original article because it looks like that is not what happened at all in this incident.

 

[dechanta]

And what increase is that? Here is a chart showing the actual facts. Gun violence is on the decrease. Largely due to armed law abiding citizens fighting back.

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So we should not base our action on facts but on emotion?



And will more gun control laws ease their pain or bring back their loved ones?


I have shown that not to be the case.

So if the present gun control laws did not stop the killing what laws do you propose that will do so?

So we should not base our action on facts but on emotion?
There have been almost 300 mass shootings in the US this year. It doesn't matter how the firearms used were purchased although the majority were purchased legally, providing statistics of individuals killed by legally obtained firearms is not a solution to the problem and the rates will unfortunately continue to rise.


And will more gun control laws ease their pain or bring back their loved ones?


I have shown that not to be the case.

So if the present gun control laws did not stop the killing what laws do you propose that will do so?

Concealed carry is licensed in some states. Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Vermont and Wyoming are constitutional carry states. No license required.

So we should not base our action on facts but on emotion?



And will more gun control laws ease their pain or bring back their loved ones?


I have shown that not to be the case.

So if the present gun control laws did not stop the killing what laws do you propose that will do so?

 

[TCassidy]

Please learn to use the quote function. Your entire post is gibberish.

You did make one statement that is patently false. You said,

There have been almost 300 mass shootings in the US this year.

That is simply not true. The FBI reports 6 mass shootings in 2014. So far in 2015 there have been 5.

And in case you were not aware of it, Police Officers killed more people in this country in 2014 than all the mass shootings combined.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/police...-than-all-u-s-mass-shootings-combined/206862/

Please, do some fact checking before posting such foolishness.

 

[dechanta]

Please learn to use the quote function. Your entire post is gibberish.

You did make one statement that is patently false. You said, That is simply not true. The FBI reports 6 mass shootings in 2014. So far in 2015 there have been 5.

And in case you were not aware of it, Police Officers killed more people in this country in 2014 than all the mass shootings combined.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/police...-than-all-u-s-mass-shootings-combined/206862/

Please, do some fact checking before posting such foolishness.

I have the site where I received this information if necessary I will supply. Everyone has an opinion and I respect everyone's feelings about gun laws. Again some individuals should not be allowed to legally carry or own a firearm and the number of individuals that should be denied this right is growing.

 

[Don]

I have the site where I received this information if necessary I will supply.

I would like to see that site.

 

[Don]

...Again some individuals should not be allowed to legally carry or own a firearm and the number of individuals that should be denied this right is growing.

How do you identify those individuals?

 

[nailah783]

Why would she get involved like that? That's crazy. Now she's the one in trouble and not the shoplifter. If she hadn't have fired, but had tried to stop the shoplifter by just threatening them, she may have been regarded as a hero, but the fact that she fired her weapon in the open public like that has now just put her freedom in jeopardy. People need to think before they act.

 

[carpro]

I have the site where I received this information if necessary I will supply. Everyone has an opinion and I respect everyone's feelings about gun laws. Again some individuals should not be allowed to legally carry or own a firearm and the number of individuals that should be denied this right is growing.

You are simply wrong on the facts, regardless of your "source", and the facts are not a matter of "opinion".

But you don't seem to learn. You have made more unsupported statements. Some real research would help you a great deal. Right now, you are in way over your head.


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[pwarbi]

But you did give your opinion here:



That you thought the bystander was "unstable" and that her license to carry should be revoked, along with contending that there is a increasing consensus for firearm restrictions. My point was not that you are in the UK but that you being in the UK, you may just get your news from The Guardian and only the American left is pushing for gun control here. They will fail, again.

But my real problem was with the original article because it looks like that is not what happened at all in this incident.

My opinion was that the lady in questions license to carry should be revoked. Would you pull your gun in the middle of the street and start firing at a moving vehicle?

And are there not more people wanting gun laws debated? That doesn't necessarily mean more people want the right to own or carry revoked, I'm talking about how more people want the discussion to be had in trying to find a compromise, if there is one.

A lot of the media are talking about it, the politicians are talking about it, Obama is talking about it, even we are talking about it.

As for reading the guardian? You really don't know me at all...

 

[Rolfe]

I have the site where I received this information if necessary I will supply.

"If necessary"? *laugh*

Supply it. You are making claims that are not believable.

 

[Rolfe]

As for reading the guardian? You really don't know me at all...

Daily Mail, eh? Wink

 

[dechanta]

"If necessary"? *laugh*

Supply it. You are making claims that are not believable.

This number includes people shot, not just people killed. The term is "mass shooting" not "mass murder". We don't need statistics to show that we have a problem. Mass shootings are occurring more frequently and sadly the assailants are using firearms that were legally purchased. You can google "how many mass shooting in 2015" and you will get a list of websites displaying the information.

 

[Rolfe]

This number includes people shot, not just people killed. The term is "mass shooting" not "mass murder". We don't need statistics to show that we have a problem. Mass shootings are occurring more frequently and sadly the assailants are using firearms that were legally purchased. You can google "how many mass shooting in 2015" and you will get a list of websites displaying the information.

The onus to show the site that you mentioned is on you. Homework assignments do not count.

 

[TCassidy]

Everyone has an opinion and I respect everyone's feelings about gun laws.

It's not about feelings. It is about facts.

 

[TCassidy]

This number includes people shot, not just people killed. The term is "mass shooting" not "mass murder".

Tell that to the FBI. Their official report says a "mass shooting" occurs once every 64 days. That is 6 per year. Not 300. 6. Just 6.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/15/mass-shootings-tripled_n_5992702.html

 

[carpro]

And are there not more people wanting gun laws debated? That doesn't necessarily mean more people want the right to own or carry revoked, I'm talking about how more people want the discussion to be had in trying to find a compromise, if there is one.

Only leftists. "Compromise" is not part of their vocabulary. Their only goal is confiscation. Always has been.