Women aren't second-class believers

[Elnora]

Eladar,

I know what the shaking the dust off your feet means. My whole point is that by your statements throughout this thread are inconsistient. I noticed that you ignored my comment asking why you would call the police on your wife if your authority over your wife is above the authority of the police. The law is for the lawless not the righteous, of which there is no law.

Also about narrow is the way, you seem to be implying in each of your remarks throughout this whole thread is that you have all knowledge and whoever does not agree with you is not a Christian.

The bible is of no private interpretation.The gospel of Christ is an offense to those who refuse to believe, not an offense to us.

As to divorce, yes I believe someone may divorce a spouse who by his fruit is not a believer. I also believe if he or she suffers the consequences of his/her sin may be won back into the relationship if they repent and submit to God. I will just agree to disagree with you as my intent on this thread was not to dispute.

 

[dianetavegia]

2 Timothy 1:2 To Timothy, a beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. 3 I thank God, whom I serve with a pure conscience, as my forefathers did, as without ceasing I remember you in my prayers night and day, 4 greatly desiring to see you, being mindful of your tears, that I may be filled with joy, 5 when I call to remembrance the genuine faith that is in you, which dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice, and I am persuaded is in you also.

Women tend to be more comfortable with spiritual emotions than the average man. I assume it's because women are more open to feelings and submission and were raised knowing it's okay to not always have the answer or always be strong.

However, I've met so very many pastors over the years who tell you it was their godly mother who led them to Jesus and many times the father was not even saved!


Diane

 

[Eladar]

I noticed that you ignored my comment asking why you would call the police on your wife if your authority over your wife is above the authority of the police. The law is for the lawless not the righteous, of which there is no law.

The police are the authority of this world. A man's authority over his wife is spiritual in nature. It is voluntary and can be disregarded. The police on the other hand can force their authority, therefore for all practical purposes, the police have more authority. Yet the husband can have more authority if the wife's mindset is one based on the Bible. That's a mighty big if.

Also about narrow is the way, you seem to be implying in each of your remarks throughout this whole thread is that you have all knowledge and whoever does not agree with you is not a Christian.

That's OK, I get the same feeling from those who disagree with me. The difference is that I believe there are many who are deceived when they think they are children of God. I do not believe I am immune to this possibility. Sorry if my view of reality on this matter rubs you the wrong way.

The bible is of no private interpretation.The gospel of Christ is an offense to those who refuse to believe, not an offense to us.

I agree with the first part. I disagree with the idea that we get to decide that we are actually doing God's will. We do not have a perfect perception of reality.

As to divorce, yes I believe someone may divorce a spouse who by his fruit is not a believer.

Anyone can divorce. The Bible clearly states that a believer should not divorce a non-believer if the non-believer is willing to remain married.

 

[Elnora]

Eladar,

I won't spell out the points you ignored, it is clear by your posts you read what you choose into what people said. The only other thing I have to say to you is if anything I posted gave you the impression that I am judging your heart, I want to make it clear, that is not the case.

 

[Eladar]

The only other thing I have to say to you is if anything I posted gave you the impression that I am judging your heart, I want to make it clear, that is not the case.

As I tried to say in my last post, the only difference here is that we disagree about how to deal with the judging issue. You decide that everyone is to be considered a Christian including yourself. I decide that everyone is to be suspected as not a Christian, including myself.

 

[Elnora]

Originally posted by Eladar:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />The only other thing I have to say to you is if anything I posted gave you the impression that I am judging your heart, I want to make it clear, that is not the case.

As I tried to say in my last post, the only difference here is that we disagree about how to deal with the judging issue. You decide that everyone is to be considered a Christian including yourself. I decide that everyone is to be suspected as not a Christian, including myself. </font>[/QUOTE]Well, yes work out your own salvation with fear. Not everyone elses. Only God knows the intent of the heart. Since you realize we stand accountable alone I will leave that to you and God. I did not say I start with the premise everyone is a Christian.

Maybe you could start a separate thread on what constitutes in your view, who is or is not a Christian.

 

[Eladar]

Well, yes work out your own salvation with fear. Not everyone elses.

We are also instructed to recognize and dispell people who teach a false gospel. Perhaps I will start that thread some day.

 

[Debby in Philly]

If any scripture shows us that it needs to be taken in historical and cultural context, it is I Cor. 11:2-16.

When was the last time you wore a hat to church?

I think back then if a woman went out with her head uncovered, she would be thought a "loose woman." And how long is "long hair?".

 

[Eladar]

1Cor 7 says "... Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace..."

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. I think that earlier someone defined abuse as a form of abandonment. Yes, if the non-Christian wants the divorce, then the Christian is free to remarry.

The divorce occurs, it is just that the Christian is not doing the divorcing. The Christian is being divorced. There is a difference. The only rightful way a Christian can seek a divorce is based on sexual unfaithfulness of the spouse.