Joseph,
women not being allowed to hold spiritual authority over men in the church is not an implication of inferiority. When you accept this premise you play right into the feminist's hands, who try to say that Christians are still trying to "keep women down".
The reason that the Adam and Eve citation is valid is because it's Bible. There is no indication in the 1 Timothy passage that this is merely Paul's opinion, and not the Lord speaking....as Paul clearly makes that statement in the other passage you are referring to. If it isn't clearly stated by Paul that he feels this is his own opinion and not God's, than we assume that it IS God's opinion.....and HIS opinion trumps all of ours.
Let me also say, this is not about "women subordination." Only another attempt to clarify the proper roles of the genders. I see no problem with us being different. And I don't really think that any of the other ladies around here do either. The angst comes from this being constantly put forth as a discussion issue.
Perhaps, ladies, there is a reason the men feel as if they need to keep talking about. Perhaps we are letting the women's lib movement effect us too much in some areas. How many women do we know who will actually go to their pastor and "inform" him that they think he's wrong on doctrinal issues? This is clearly a case of a woman trying to usurp a spiritual authority over the man of God, and perhaps its creeping into our churches too much and we older ladies need to step in and start teaching these women what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. Maybe we aren't doing a very good job of teaching the new/younger women the proper Biblical way to do these things.
If a man comes along and tries to do this teaching, he is often seen as "lording it over" the women, even though I know many courageous men who make the attempt and do a pretty good job. I think its more effective if it comes from the ladies though.
women not being allowed to hold spiritual authority over men in the church is not an implication of inferiority. When you accept this premise you play right into the feminist's hands, who try to say that Christians are still trying to "keep women down".
The reason that the Adam and Eve citation is valid is because it's Bible. There is no indication in the 1 Timothy passage that this is merely Paul's opinion, and not the Lord speaking....as Paul clearly makes that statement in the other passage you are referring to. If it isn't clearly stated by Paul that he feels this is his own opinion and not God's, than we assume that it IS God's opinion.....and HIS opinion trumps all of ours.
Let me also say, this is not about "women subordination." Only another attempt to clarify the proper roles of the genders. I see no problem with us being different. And I don't really think that any of the other ladies around here do either. The angst comes from this being constantly put forth as a discussion issue.
Perhaps, ladies, there is a reason the men feel as if they need to keep talking about. Perhaps we are letting the women's lib movement effect us too much in some areas. How many women do we know who will actually go to their pastor and "inform" him that they think he's wrong on doctrinal issues? This is clearly a case of a woman trying to usurp a spiritual authority over the man of God, and perhaps its creeping into our churches too much and we older ladies need to step in and start teaching these women what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. Maybe we aren't doing a very good job of teaching the new/younger women the proper Biblical way to do these things.
If a man comes along and tries to do this teaching, he is often seen as "lording it over" the women, even though I know many courageous men who make the attempt and do a pretty good job. I think its more effective if it comes from the ladies though.
