women teachers

[Robert Snow]

I don't need a view i have the scripture and that is enough.

If the scripture says women are to be silent in church, do you allow them to speak any words at all? Are they allowed to sing? If so, you are in violation of what you seem to believe the bible teaches.

 

[BobinKy]

There is nothing to chew on when we have scripture. Trying to do end runs on scripture [interpretation] means we lose and God is mocked.

Is anyone saying your interpretation is mocking God? Why do you think your interpretation of Scripture is the only correct interpretation?

And how is interpretation mocking God? Are all of the contributors to study Bibles and Bible commentaries, and preachers in every pulpit across the land--are all of these mocking God because they present an interpretation?

Think about the implications of what you are writing here. We all know that you support Biblical Manhood because the website in your signature contains these interpretations. Nobody here is saying you are mocking God. Why do you insist on saying others who offer interpretation are mocking God?

Pray about it. Think about it. Pray about it.

...Bob

 

[annsni]

If you have couples teaching couples, you still have a woman teaching men. If you say that's because the woman is under the authority of her husband, then why is that different than a woman being under the authority of the pastor?

Well, the adding in of the "being under the authority of the pastor" is really a cop-out and not Biblical. But couples teaching couples not in church is a different story, IMO. First of all, she's not doing the main teaching, he is. In the couple led classes that I've been in, usually the wife is assisting her husband and helps to lead the class but doesn't do the teaching. She usually gives a few words of her perspective of things and she'll help administer the class material (maybe reading passages or parts of the material) but I've not seen any actually do the lead teaching on the subject. The two classes that we've had husband/wife teams teaching were a financial course using Dave Ramsey and then a marriage course where the wife taught the wives and the husband taught the husbands - but for parts of the class, they were all together and the wife would speak of a woman's perspective of things and that would be about it.

 

[freeatlast]

If the scripture says women are to be silent in church, do you allow them to speak any words at all? Are they allowed to sing? If so, you are in violation of what you seem to believe the bible teaches.

As in any scripture context makes the case. Scripture is dealing with women as to holding authority. Teaching is always authority. They are permitted to teach women, but never men when the church comes together. In the church gathering they are not even to speak to ask questions but return home ask their husbands. Yes I realize this ruffles feathers today in this rebellious age of church goers, but that is what scripture teaches.
A woman can sing along as it does not violate the intent of scripture in her position of submission and authority that is spelled out in scripture.

 

[freeatlast]

Is anyone saying your interpretation is mocking God? Why do you think your interpretation of Scripture is the only correct interpretation?

And how is interpretation mocking God? Are all of the contributors to study Bibles and Bible commentaries, and preachers in every pulpit across the land--are all of these mocking God because they present an interpretation?

Think about the implications of what you are writing here. We all know that you support Biblical Manhood because the website in your signature contains these interpretations. Nobody here is saying you are mocking God. Why do you insist on saying others who offer interpretation are mocking God?

Pray about it. Think about it. Pray about it.

...Bob

Bob you are incorrect about me supporting biblical manhood. I simply support scripture. If it were up to me would let women preach, teach, be pastor and whatever. In fact I wish they could be all that because all that comes with greater condemnation and would relieve the man of the responsibility, but the Lord has made it clear that He does not want it done. I do not need to interpret scripture, I simply accept what it says in the context it is given without trying to do an end run on it. As far as mocking God any attempt to go beyond what He has given is mockery regardless of the intent. Uzza is a prime example of mockery and the Lord's response. he is the example. For those not being struck dead they need to remember that today is not the day of judgment.

 

[freeatlast]

Well, the adding in of the "being under the authority of the pastor" is really a cop-out and not Biblical. But couples teaching couples not in church is a different story, IMO. First of all, she's not doing the main teaching, he is. In the couple led classes that I've been in, usually the wife is assisting her husband and helps to lead the class but doesn't do the teaching. She usually gives a few words of her perspective of things and she'll help administer the class material (maybe reading passages or parts of the material) but I've not seen any actually do the lead teaching on the subject. The two classes that we've had husband/wife teams teaching were a financial course using Dave Ramsey and then a marriage course where the wife taught the wives and the husband taught the husbands - but for parts of the class, they were all together and the wife would speak of a woman's perspective of things and that would be about it.

Even in this case she is to remain silent. That is the command. it is easy to condemn others for what seems blatant transgressions and walk blindly with our own. Any woman, even if it is called assisting a man in teaching is in rebellion if she speaks where men are present in a teaching capacity and any church that allows it is also in rebellion. Now let me say this the church I attend is in this rebellion. All I can do is point it out and not attend those class'. However the result is the same. God withholds His ultimate blessing where rebellion is present.
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[jaigner]

I think the Scripture is pretty clear - so clear that even my 8 year old can see it.

I thought that, too, when I was 8, because I'd never heard about exegesis or any of that.

 

[jaigner]

I do not need to interpret scripture, I simply accept what it says in the context it is given without trying to do an end run on it.

Friend, you must realize that what you're doing is still an interpretation. It's not a very informed one, but it is an interpretation.

 

[Amy.G]

Well, the adding in of the "being under the authority of the pastor" is really a cop-out and not Biblical. But couples teaching couples not in church is a different story, IMO. First of all, she's not doing the main teaching, he is. In the couple led classes that I've been in, usually the wife is assisting her husband and helps to lead the class but doesn't do the teaching. She usually gives a few words of her perspective of things and she'll help administer the class material (maybe reading passages or parts of the material) but I've not seen any actually do the lead teaching on the subject. The two classes that we've had husband/wife teams teaching were a financial course using Dave Ramsey and then a marriage course where the wife taught the wives and the husband taught the husbands - but for parts of the class, they were all together and the wife would speak of a woman's perspective of things and that would be about it.

If her "perspective" of things was based on scripture, then she is teaching.

 

[freeatlast]

Friend, you must realize that what you're doing is still an interpretation. It's not a very informed one, but it is an interpretation.

I am informed enough if I obey what i have been given. Most people today treat the word of God like date rape. we all know how date rape goes down. Two people alone get more involved then they should. At some point she says stop and he interprets. However his interpretation is that she really means push on, but must say stop to protect her morality. So we end up with date rape.
I simply choose to hold that stop, means stop. If that is an interpretation then I stand judged, but not for disobedience or rebellion because of pride or personal promotion.

 

[BobinKy]

Most people today treat the word of God like date rape.

Think about what you have written above. Is this how you want to be recorded in a public record? Is this what you want children to read? In a thread about Women Sunday School Teachers?

I suggest you edit and come up with a different analogy.

...Bob

 

[freeatlast]

Think about what you have written above. Is this how you want to be recorded in a public record? Is this what you want children to read?

I suggest you edit and come up with a different analogy.

...Bob

[SIZE=+0]Bob I make no apologies for what I wrote. It is the truth and I stand on it publically for old and young alike to read. The Jew today is in denial about what they have done and the church is in close proximity for what they are doing.[/SIZE]

 

[nodak]

Wow.

Apparently some here think Jesus Himself was in rebellion when He sent the women to tell the disciples He had risen.

 

[Robert Snow]

As in any scripture context makes the case. Scripture is dealing with women as to holding authority. Teaching is always authority. They are permitted to teach women, but never men when the church comes together. In the church gathering they are not even to speak to ask questions but return home ask their husbands. Yes I realize this ruffles feathers today in this rebellious age of church goers, but that is what scripture teaches.
A woman can sing along as it does not violate the intent of scripture in her position of submission and authority that is spelled out in scripture.

You are a lost cause. You take scripture literally when it suits your purpose, then dance around the literal interpretation when it doesn't suit you.

 

[CF1]

Genesis 3 (English Standard Version)

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God actually say, ...

 

[annsni]

If her "perspective" of things was based on scripture, then she is teaching.

Well, for example, in the marriage class, she might explain how women will see things differently than men. No, it's not based on Scripture - it's based on reality. Like we just taught a couple in premarital counseling that often times, women are needing to talk things out with their husband and don't want a "solution" but just someone to listen to them. That's one example. Another was that the wife was telling the men that when a woman stays at home, her home is her "office" and she will see things that need to get done and it will bother her more than it will the man because he's just not seeing it all day. So it's giving a woman's perspective on life and marriage. Even a man can't really explain that to men - it takes a woman. LOL

 

[jaigner]

I am informed enough if I obey what i have been given. Most people today treat the word of God like date rape. we all know how date rape goes down. Two people alone get more involved then they should. At some point she says stop and he interprets. However his interpretation is that she really means push on, but must say stop to protect her morality. So we end up with date rape. I simply choose to hold that stop, means stop. If that is an interpretation then I stand judged, but not for disobedience or rebellion because of pride or personal promotion.

This is one of the most disturbing things I've ever read. It makes feel feel sick, to be quite honest.

 

[CF1]

Here is another disturbing analogy. Sometimes God used prophets to say and do unusual things to really get our attention. I wouldn't have chosen the analogy below but God did.

Hosea 1:2 (New American Standard Bible)

2 When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, "Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the LORD."


We probably won't agree, and that's fine, but it might be worth considering what the Word of God says.

 

[annsni]

Wow.

Apparently some here think Jesus Himself was in rebellion when He sent the women to tell the disciples He had risen.

Why do you say this? Was that a church setting? Did the women have authority over the disciples? Where is there teaching in this case?

 

[freeatlast]

You are a lost cause. You take scripture literally when it suits your purpose, then dance around the literal interpretation when it doesn't suit you.

If you really think that then pray for me because I have no intention to do so. Also anytime you see me changing scripture from its literal meaning point it out.