TCGreek said:
And when asked a direct question you refused to answer it so there was no rush to judgment. And personally I only stated that it appears to be so. I gave nothing definitive.
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Word/Faith Doctrines
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And when asked a direct question you refused to answer it so there was no rush to judgment. And personally I only stated that it appears to be so. I gave nothing definitive.
Double post
Amy.G said:Then straighten us out. Do you agree with the teachings that OR posted? Which do you reject, if any?
For the record, I put infant baptistm, deacon board, and Word/Faith in matters of disagreement.
I do not agree with Word/Faith.
TCGreek said:For the record, I put infant baptistm, deacon board, and Word/Faith in matters of disagreement.
I do not agree with Word/Faith.
How can you put those together? Infant baptism and a deacon board does not have a different God than the God of the Bible. The Word of Faith god is not at all Biblical.
Revmitchell said:And when asked a direct question you refused to answer it so there was no rush to judgment. And personally I only stated that it appears to be so. I gave nothing definitive.
I believe I reserved the right to answer the best way I can without implicating myself.
Then I'm sorry to group you as rushing to judgment.
annsni said:How can you put those together? Infant baptism and a deacon board does not have a different God than the God of the Bible. The Word of Faith god is not at all Biblical.
Because I see them as matters of mere disagreement and not as heresies.
Do they have distorted views of God? Sure.
TCGreek said:Because I see them as matters of mere disagreement and not as heresies.
Do they have distorted views of God? Sure.
If this is not heresy, then what is it?
Although Jesus declared that he walked with God and that God was in Him, he never actually claimed to be God. In fact, during his three years of public ministry Jesus did not stand in a class by himself.... He was ministering on earth as a human being -- a prophet anointed with the Holy Spirit. Jesus remained sinless so He could redeem men from their Satanic natures.
Jesus never actually claimed to be God? What could be more heretical than that?
Amy.G said:If this is not heresy, then what is it?
Do you believe infant baptism is contrary to Scripture and therefore a heresy and therefore Presbyterians and all who practice infant baptism are heretics?
I'm only asking these questions based on your definition of what a heresy is.
Jesus never actually claimed to be God? What could be more heretical than that?
Are Presbyterians heretics?
Why do you keep anwering my questions with questions?TCGreek said:Do you believe infant baptism is contrary to Scripture and therefore a heresy and therefore Presbyterians and all who practice infant baptism are heretics?
I'm only asking these questions based on your definition of what a heresy is.
Are Presbyterians heretics?
Yes, I think infant baptism is heretical. I contradicts God's word. I will not become a member of a church that believes that. Not every Presby is a heretic (because of ignornance) but the teaching of infant baptism is. Just as the teaching of WOF is heretical, but not every person who follows it is a heretic because they could be following it out of ignorance until God saves them out of it.
But those who teach such things are heretics, like Paul Crouch and Benny Hinn. They know full well what they are doing.
Your turn.
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Amy.G said:Why do you keep anwering my questions with questions?
Yes, I think infant baptism is heretical. I contradicts God's word. I will not become a member of a church that believes that.
Your turn.
Presbyterians are heretics and not true Christians. In fact, they are on their way to hell. Right?
(I'll get to your questions)
JustChristian
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This is enough for me. Yes, it's a heresy.Amy.G said:
"You don't have a god in you, you are one."
I'm sorry to hear that. I will pray for you.TCGreek said:Amy, this is the end of this particular discussion for me.
We'll continue to differ on some theological issues. God bless.
Amy.G said:I'm sorry to hear that. I will pray for you.
Amy he has an incorrect view of the definition of heresy
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
The heretical teachings of this word faith movement are summarized by 16 points presented [page 497ff] in the “Kingdom of the Cults” by Walter Martin and revised by Hank Hanegraff. Since some have questioned whether these beliefs constitute heresy I present Scripture that I believe refutes the particular heresy. There are many more but there are space limitations.
I believe there are two problems that have always confronted the Church: Error and Heresy. Error unchecked or uncorrected often leads to Heresy. I believe that is the case with certain charismatic groups. I believe that any belief or teaching which is contrary to the nature of the Triune Godhead, the truth and manner of the Incarnation, the efficacy of atonement through the death of Jesus Christ, the resurrection of Jesus Christ and His ascension to the right hand of the Father are heretical. Furthermore any doctrine that adds anything to the Scriptural Revelation is Error and may be Heretical.
Heresy #1
“He’s [God is] very much like you and me. A being that stands somewhere around 6’2”, 6’3”, who weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple of hundred pounds, little better, [and] has a [hand] span of nine inches across.” [Kenneth Copeland, quoted by Hanegraff, Christianity in Crisis, page 121]
“God spoke Adam into existence in authority with words [Genesis 1:26, 28]. These words struck Adam’s body in the face. His body and God’s were exactly the same size.” [Kenneth Copeland, quoted by Hanegraff, Christianity in Crisis, page 379]
“He [God] measured out heaven with a nine inch span ... The distance between my thumb and my finger is not quite nine inches. So I know He’s bigger than me, thank God. Amen.” [Jerry Savelle quoted by Hanegraff, Christianity in Crisis, page 122]
John 4:24, KJV
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 1:18, KJV
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Heresy #2
Faith is the literal substance that God used to create the universe, and He transported that faith with His words. Here, essentially, is what God did. God filled His words with faith. He used His words as containers to hold His faith and contain that spiritual force and transport it out there into the vast darkness by saying, ‘light, be’! That's the way God transported His faith causing creation and transformation. The way that He created the world was that, first of all, he conceived something on the inside of Him. He conceived, He had an image, He had a picture.
Psalms 33:6, KJV
6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Revelation 4:11, KJV
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Heresy #3
All things, including God, are subject to this ‘force of faith’ beause it works according to spiritual ‘laws’ of the universe. There are laws of the world of the spirit. The spiritual world and its laws are more powerful than the physical world . The world and the physical forces governing it were created by the power of faith--a spiritual force. It is this force of faith which makes the laws of the spirit world function. The force of faith is released by words. Faith-filled words put the law of the Spirit of life into operation.
Psalms 135:6, KJV
6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.
Ephesians 1:11, KJV
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Heresy #4
The greatest thing God conceived of and created was an exact duplicate of himself. This duplicate god--named Adam-was God manifested in the flesh.
Isaiah 43:10, KJV
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Heresy #5
God eventually went to Adam, who was anatomically male and female, and separated the female part from the male part to make a womb-man (woman). Adam named this ‘man with a womb’ Eve. She, like Adam, was a god.
Genesis 2:21-23, KJV
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
I believe there are two problems that have always confronted the Church: Error and Heresy. Error unchecked or uncorrected often leads to Heresy. I believe that is the case with certain charismatic groups. I believe that any belief or teaching which is contrary to the nature of the Triune Godhead, the truth and manner of the Incarnation, the efficacy of atonement through the death of Jesus Christ, the resurrection of Jesus Christ and His ascension to the right hand of the Father are heretical. Furthermore any doctrine that adds anything to the Scriptural Revelation is Error and may be Heretical.
Heresy #1
“He’s [God is] very much like you and me. A being that stands somewhere around 6’2”, 6’3”, who weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple of hundred pounds, little better, [and] has a [hand] span of nine inches across.” [Kenneth Copeland, quoted by Hanegraff, Christianity in Crisis, page 121]
“God spoke Adam into existence in authority with words [Genesis 1:26, 28]. These words struck Adam’s body in the face. His body and God’s were exactly the same size.” [Kenneth Copeland, quoted by Hanegraff, Christianity in Crisis, page 379]
“He [God] measured out heaven with a nine inch span ... The distance between my thumb and my finger is not quite nine inches. So I know He’s bigger than me, thank God. Amen.” [Jerry Savelle quoted by Hanegraff, Christianity in Crisis, page 122]
John 4:24, KJV
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 1:18, KJV
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Heresy #2
Faith is the literal substance that God used to create the universe, and He transported that faith with His words. Here, essentially, is what God did. God filled His words with faith. He used His words as containers to hold His faith and contain that spiritual force and transport it out there into the vast darkness by saying, ‘light, be’! That's the way God transported His faith causing creation and transformation. The way that He created the world was that, first of all, he conceived something on the inside of Him. He conceived, He had an image, He had a picture.
Psalms 33:6, KJV
6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Revelation 4:11, KJV
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Heresy #3
All things, including God, are subject to this ‘force of faith’ beause it works according to spiritual ‘laws’ of the universe. There are laws of the world of the spirit. The spiritual world and its laws are more powerful than the physical world . The world and the physical forces governing it were created by the power of faith--a spiritual force. It is this force of faith which makes the laws of the spirit world function. The force of faith is released by words. Faith-filled words put the law of the Spirit of life into operation.
Psalms 135:6, KJV
6 Whatsoever the LORD pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places.
Ephesians 1:11, KJV
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Heresy #4
The greatest thing God conceived of and created was an exact duplicate of himself. This duplicate god--named Adam-was God manifested in the flesh.
Isaiah 43:10, KJV
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Heresy #5
God eventually went to Adam, who was anatomically male and female, and separated the female part from the male part to make a womb-man (woman). Adam named this ‘man with a womb’ Eve. She, like Adam, was a god.
Genesis 2:21-23, KJV
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
The heretical teachings of this word faith movement are summarized by 16 points presented [page 497ff] in the “Kingdom of the Cults” by Walter Martin and revised by Hank Hanegraff. Since some have questioned whether these beliefs constitute heresy I present Scripture that I believe refutes the particular heresy. There are many more but there are space limitations.
I believe there are two problems that have always confronted the Church: Error and Heresy. Error unchecked or uncorrected often leads to Heresy. I believe that is the case with certain charismatic groups. I believe that any belief or teaching which is contrary to the nature of the Triune Godhead, the truth and manner of the Incarnation, the efficacy of atonement through the death of Jesus Christ, the resurrection of Jesus Christ and His ascension to the right hand of the Father are heretical. Furthermore any doctrine that adds anything to the Scriptural Revelation is Error and may be Heretical.
Heresy #6
The Fall caused Adam and Eve's divine natures to be replaced with Satan’s nature. They also lost their rights of rulership to planet earth. Even God was barred from having full access to earth because Adam and Eve were under His lordship when they ‘fell’. Through their disobedience Satan became the god of this world.
Psalms 24:1, KJV
1 The earth is the LORD’S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Heresy #7
God formulated a scheme to take back the earth, but in order to execute His plan He had to find a human who would invite Him (give Him permission) to work within the earthly realm. Finally, God got to a point where He had His plan ready for operation. And He saw a man named Abraham. In return for allowing God to bring the Messiah through his lineage, Abraham received unlimited health and wealth.
Genesis 12:1, 4, KJV
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
Heresy #8
For centuries God visualized Jesus. Then, when it was finally time for the Messiah to come forth, God spoke him into existence through faith in the same way that He had visualized and spoken into existence everything else. Bringing forth Jesus, however, was also dependent upon whether or not Mary would lend her faith to help form the body of the Lord out of the literal ‘Word’ (confession).
Luke 1:30,31, 34, 35, KJV
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Heresy #9
While on earth Jesus was wealthy. He lived in a big house, had a great deal of money, and wore the finest clothes.
Luke 9:58, KJV
58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
2 Corinthians 8:9, KJV
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
Heresy #10
Although Jesus declared that he walked with God and that God was in Him, he never actually claimed to be God. In fact, during his three years of public ministry Jesus did not stand in a class by himself.... He was ministering on earth as a human being -- a prophet anointed with the Holy Spirit. Jesus remained sinless so He could redeem men from their Satanic natures.
John 10:30, KJV
30 I and my Father are one.
John 5:17, 18, KJV
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
I believe there are two problems that have always confronted the Church: Error and Heresy. Error unchecked or uncorrected often leads to Heresy. I believe that is the case with certain charismatic groups. I believe that any belief or teaching which is contrary to the nature of the Triune Godhead, the truth and manner of the Incarnation, the efficacy of atonement through the death of Jesus Christ, the resurrection of Jesus Christ and His ascension to the right hand of the Father are heretical. Furthermore any doctrine that adds anything to the Scriptural Revelation is Error and may be Heretical.
Heresy #6
The Fall caused Adam and Eve's divine natures to be replaced with Satan’s nature. They also lost their rights of rulership to planet earth. Even God was barred from having full access to earth because Adam and Eve were under His lordship when they ‘fell’. Through their disobedience Satan became the god of this world.
Psalms 24:1, KJV
1 The earth is the LORD’S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Heresy #7
God formulated a scheme to take back the earth, but in order to execute His plan He had to find a human who would invite Him (give Him permission) to work within the earthly realm. Finally, God got to a point where He had His plan ready for operation. And He saw a man named Abraham. In return for allowing God to bring the Messiah through his lineage, Abraham received unlimited health and wealth.
Genesis 12:1, 4, KJV
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
Heresy #8
For centuries God visualized Jesus. Then, when it was finally time for the Messiah to come forth, God spoke him into existence through faith in the same way that He had visualized and spoken into existence everything else. Bringing forth Jesus, however, was also dependent upon whether or not Mary would lend her faith to help form the body of the Lord out of the literal ‘Word’ (confession).
Luke 1:30,31, 34, 35, KJV
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Heresy #9
While on earth Jesus was wealthy. He lived in a big house, had a great deal of money, and wore the finest clothes.
Luke 9:58, KJV
58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
2 Corinthians 8:9, KJV
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
Heresy #10
Although Jesus declared that he walked with God and that God was in Him, he never actually claimed to be God. In fact, during his three years of public ministry Jesus did not stand in a class by himself.... He was ministering on earth as a human being -- a prophet anointed with the Holy Spirit. Jesus remained sinless so He could redeem men from their Satanic natures.
John 10:30, KJV
30 I and my Father are one.
John 5:17, 18, KJV
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
The heretical teachings of this word faith movement are summarized by 16 points presented [page 497ff] in the “Kingdom of the Cults” by Walter Martin and revised by Hank Hanegraff. Since some have questioned whether these beliefs constitute heresy I present Scripture that I believe refutes the particular heresy. There are many more but there are space limitations.
I believe there are two problems that have always confronted the Church: Error and Heresy. Error unchecked or uncorrected often leads to Heresy. I believe that is the case with certain charismatic groups. I believe that any belief or teaching which is contrary to the nature of the Triune Godhead, the truth and manner of the Incarnation, the efficacy of atonement through the death of Jesus Christ, the resurrection of Jesus Christ and His ascension to the right hand of the Father are heretical. Furthermore any doctrine that adds anything to the Scriptural Revelation is Error and may be Heretical.
Heresy #11
In order to redeem humanity, Jesus had to die spiritually as well as physically. When He died spiritually, he died in the same way that Adam died. In other words, He lost His divine nature and was given the nature of Satan. Jesus’ death on the cross and His shed blood did not atone for our sins. The atonement took place in hell through the devil's torturing of Jesus’ spirit for three days and three nights. Unfortunately for Satan, Jesus was taken to hell ‘illegally’ because He had never sinned. This ‘technicality’ enabled God to use His ‘force of faith’ to revive Jesus’ spirit, restore Jesus’ divine nature, and resurrect Jesus’ body. Through the resurrection process Jesus was ‘born again’.
1 Peter 2:24, KJV
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 Peter 1:18, 19, KJV
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Heresy #12
When a person is born again they experience exactly what happened to Jesus. Their satanic nature is replaced by God’s divine nature. The transformation is so identical to Jesus’ transformation that Christians become little gods (small “g”) and are as much an incarnation of God as was Jesus.
1 Timothy 2:5, KJV
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
John 1:18, KJV
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Heresy #13
Because Christians are ‘little gods’, they now have access to the ‘God- kind of faith’, which can be used to get virtually anything they want. Christians, rather than God, have authority in the earth over Satan and sickness and disease. Consequently, believers should never pray God’s will be done.
Matthew 6:9, 10, KJV
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
James 4:15, KJV
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
Heresy #14
To obtain specific desires, Christians must do three things: (1) loose the power of the “force of faith” by speaking or positively confessing whatever is wanted (e.g., ‘I am healed’, ‘I am not sick’, etc.); (2) believe that whatever has been confessed will definitely be received; and (3) ignore or look beyond the visible reality (i.e, remaining sickness, low finances, etc.) and continue claiming what has been confessed.
John 15:7, KJV
7. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
1John 5:14, KJV
14. And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
Heresy #15
Everything bad, including poverty and sickness, comes from Satan. God’s people should have a completely blessed life. A Christian not experiencing such a life is either: (1) in sin; or (2) lacking enough faith to bring about what is desired.
John 16:33, KJV
33. These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Heresy #16
The power of audible confession is so great that sometimes a person can unknowingly bring tragedy upon themselves by making negative confessions. For example, a woman who is mugged may have actually caused that mugging if at any time prior to the experience she made comments like, ‘I live in such a dangerous part of the city that I'm afraid I’ll be mugged’. The woman should have been saying, ‘I will not be mugged’. Similarly, someone who jokingly says ‘I feel like I'm going crazy’ may actually become insane.
The above 16 points show how the word-faith teachers have corrupted the truth contained in the Word of God into gross heresy. I cannot say that all those caught up in the word-faith movement are unsaved but thay are surely following heretical teachings.
I believe there are two problems that have always confronted the Church: Error and Heresy. Error unchecked or uncorrected often leads to Heresy. I believe that is the case with certain charismatic groups. I believe that any belief or teaching which is contrary to the nature of the Triune Godhead, the truth and manner of the Incarnation, the efficacy of atonement through the death of Jesus Christ, the resurrection of Jesus Christ and His ascension to the right hand of the Father are heretical. Furthermore any doctrine that adds anything to the Scriptural Revelation is Error and may be Heretical.
Heresy #11
In order to redeem humanity, Jesus had to die spiritually as well as physically. When He died spiritually, he died in the same way that Adam died. In other words, He lost His divine nature and was given the nature of Satan. Jesus’ death on the cross and His shed blood did not atone for our sins. The atonement took place in hell through the devil's torturing of Jesus’ spirit for three days and three nights. Unfortunately for Satan, Jesus was taken to hell ‘illegally’ because He had never sinned. This ‘technicality’ enabled God to use His ‘force of faith’ to revive Jesus’ spirit, restore Jesus’ divine nature, and resurrect Jesus’ body. Through the resurrection process Jesus was ‘born again’.
1 Peter 2:24, KJV
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 Peter 1:18, 19, KJV
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Heresy #12
When a person is born again they experience exactly what happened to Jesus. Their satanic nature is replaced by God’s divine nature. The transformation is so identical to Jesus’ transformation that Christians become little gods (small “g”) and are as much an incarnation of God as was Jesus.
1 Timothy 2:5, KJV
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
John 1:18, KJV
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Heresy #13
Because Christians are ‘little gods’, they now have access to the ‘God- kind of faith’, which can be used to get virtually anything they want. Christians, rather than God, have authority in the earth over Satan and sickness and disease. Consequently, believers should never pray God’s will be done.
Matthew 6:9, 10, KJV
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
James 4:15, KJV
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
Heresy #14
To obtain specific desires, Christians must do three things: (1) loose the power of the “force of faith” by speaking or positively confessing whatever is wanted (e.g., ‘I am healed’, ‘I am not sick’, etc.); (2) believe that whatever has been confessed will definitely be received; and (3) ignore or look beyond the visible reality (i.e, remaining sickness, low finances, etc.) and continue claiming what has been confessed.
John 15:7, KJV
7. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
1John 5:14, KJV
14. And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
Heresy #15
Everything bad, including poverty and sickness, comes from Satan. God’s people should have a completely blessed life. A Christian not experiencing such a life is either: (1) in sin; or (2) lacking enough faith to bring about what is desired.
John 16:33, KJV
33. These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Heresy #16
The power of audible confession is so great that sometimes a person can unknowingly bring tragedy upon themselves by making negative confessions. For example, a woman who is mugged may have actually caused that mugging if at any time prior to the experience she made comments like, ‘I live in such a dangerous part of the city that I'm afraid I’ll be mugged’. The woman should have been saying, ‘I will not be mugged’. Similarly, someone who jokingly says ‘I feel like I'm going crazy’ may actually become insane.
The above 16 points show how the word-faith teachers have corrupted the truth contained in the Word of God into gross heresy. I cannot say that all those caught up in the word-faith movement are unsaved but thay are surely following heretical teachings.
TCGreek said:Do you believe infant baptism is contrary to Scripture and therefore a heresy and therefore Presbyterians and all who practice infant baptism are heretics?
We were Presbyterians and believers. We were not taught that infant baptism saved but that it was similar to child dedication. It was not at all a different God or a different Gospel that was taught and thus in my experience, that Presbyterian church and those in that church were not heretics. What is the teaching on infant baptism - THAT will decide if it's a heresy or not.
I'm only asking these questions based on your definition of what a heresy is.
Webster's Unabridged Dictionary states heresy is:
"(Theol.) Religious opinion opposed to the authorized doctrinal standards of any particular church, especially when tending to promote schism or separation; lack of orthodox or sound belief; rejection of, or erroneous belief in regard to, some fundamental religious doctrine or truth; heterodoxy."
Are Presbyterians heretics?
Some might be. But in my experience with the Presbyterian church that we were in, I'd say that as a denomination - not necessarily.