Worship Flags

[JohnDeereFan]

JDF, I'll try listening to that, simply because I'm interested in how a person can justifiably "demolish" the idea of Christians worshiping our Father.

Oh, this childish game. I see this all the time from the atheists on another forum I post on.

As you know, he isn't disputing the idea of Christians worshipping God. He's disputing the idea of worship in an Unbiblical manner.

But then, you already knew that.

I know for many, difference is something to fear. Everyone fears things they haven't seen.

Actually, I have seen it. It was extremely popular when I was in the WoF cult.

There's a world of difference between "fearing" something that's unfamiliar and comparing something to scripture and finding it to be Unbiblical.

being so fearful that we hinder the working of the Holy Spirit in the lives of others isn't good.

First of all, where does the Bible say that the Holy Spirit works through Unbiblical means?

Second, I think you have good reason to be afraid.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Well, I'm listening and apparently he got a catalogue of liturgical dancewear and he's all hung up on the descriptions of the clothing - flowing, flattering, jersey, silken, reverent, elegant, colorful. Kind of ridiculous, if you ask me. I'll continue listening though.

Yeah, imagine a pastor being against dancing girls wearing skintight and revealing clothes in church! What is the world coming to?

OK - so now he says if you have dance drama in your church, you need to leave the church because it's ridiculous, infantile, and immature.

[Personal attack edited]

He continues on about the descriptions of the clothing....he disagrees about the undergarments, the leotards and such in this catalogue. If he's offended by this, does he get offended by the Sear's catalogue that has undergarments as well?

I don't think anybody's suggesting that women wear strip down to their underwear in church. [personal attack edited]

OK - Made it to 7 minutes and that was plenty for me. This pastor is ridiculous.

Yeah, [edit]

How about working against something that God is against - like sin??

Personal attack edited.

 

[Old Union Brother]

I only have one thing to say and it is from the scriptures. Take it ever how you want.

(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.

 

[Gina B]

JDF, I've yet to listen to it.

I will say though that

1. Responding by comparing me with an atheist, suggesting Annsni might have women stripping to their underwear in church, and stating that our worship is unbiblical (when if anything, scripture supports it) doesn't encourage me to entertain your viewpoint of Christianity a bit.

2. Why should I listen to you or trust your statements about scripture when you jump to such absurd accusations and lude commentaries? Please give me a reason why this should set you apart as a person in my life that is capable of good judgment and advice...and if you're not on this thread to try to help, what ARE you here to do?

 

[annsni]

First of all, where does the Bible say that the Holy Spirit works through Unbiblical means?

I'm just finishing out the end of Genesis. I'd say that God worked quite well through "unbiblical" means.

 

[annsni]

Yeah, imagine a pastor being against dancing girls wearing skintight and revealing clothes in church! What is the world coming to?



Actually, the ones who are immature are folks like you and Gina, who believe that the Word of God is not enough, but that you need to be entertained with dancing girls.



I don't think anybody's suggesting that women wear strip down to their underwear in church. But then, in your church, who knows?



Yeah, some people do find the preaching of God's Word to be foolishness.



Actually, he was addressing your sin. That's why you got so mad.

Actually not. I hate foolishness and the foolishness of this pastor was actually embarrassing.

Now, as for that "skintight and revealing clothing"? Let's see what my daughters wear:

regular undergarments (I hope this is OK - sounds like it might not be from that "pastor")
long white camisole
white stockings
white pantaloons
white blouse that is long enough to never get pulled out of the waistband of the skirt
long white skirt that reaches the floor that is made as a full circle so it's quite ....large
white ballet slippers
a belt that will coordinate with the theme if we have a special event

I was telling my girls about that pastor and his comments last night and they laughed. They are more covered up than even the elderly ladies who are all about modesty!! Of course *gasp* their forearms are uncovered and we know all good Christian girls don't show their forearms but that is actually taken care of with the addition of the body suit that they wear under the outfits now!! So here's a picture of my very immodest daughter when she was about 16. Click on the photo to see a larger picture.



Here's a very short video of both this same daughter and my other daughter (behind our senior pastor) to see the entire immodest and skin tight costume:

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/annsni/?action=view&current=doz.mp4

 

[annsni]

I only have one thing to say and it is from the scriptures. Take it ever how you want.

(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.

Amen. I totally agree with this. This is why the ministry that is run with these girls is very careful. It is not done in a willy-nilly way but well practiced, carefully choreographed and done only during certain times of the year.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

JDF, I've yet to listen to it.

I will say though that

1. Responding by comparing me with an atheist, suggesting Annsni might have women stripping to their underwear in church, and stating that our worship is unbiblical (when if anything, scripture supports it) doesn't encourage me to entertain your viewpoint of Christianity a bit.

2. Why should I listen to you or trust your statements about scripture when you jump to such absurd accusations and lude commentaries? Please give me a reason why this should set you apart as a person in my life that is capable of good judgment and advice...and if you're not on this thread to try to help, what ARE you here to do?

Honestly? I don't really care. If you won't listen to God's Word, then I know you're not going to listen to me.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Actually not. I hate foolishness and the foolishness of this pastor was actually embarrassing.

And yet, you have dancing girls in your church [edited]

Why don't you ask Aaron to explain the regulative principle of worship to you.

I was telling my girls about that pastor and his comments last night and they laughed.

Please notice that I am not attacking your daughters the way you and another poster attacked my children (and, for the record, the other poster did apologize).

 

[annsni]

And yet, you have dancing girls in your church because the preaching of the Word of God just can't hold your attention.

Seriously? You know the motivation for us to have our DOZ girls? You must be a psychic or something!! But just to let you know - you're wrong.

Why don't you ask Aaron to explain the regulative principle of worship to you.

Is Aaron my pastor? Is he the Bible? No? Then I'll not ask him.

Please notice that I am not attacking your daughters the way you and another poster attacked my children (and, for the record, the other poster did apologize).

Oh for heaven's sake!! What an accusation!! Prove it. [edit]

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Seriously? You know the motivation for us to have our DOZ girls? You must be a psychic or something!! But just to let you know - you're wrong.

So you say, but you're the one who has to have dancing girls in your church

[Personal attack edited]

Is Aaron my pastor? Is he the Bible? No? Then I'll not ask him.

I say you're better off with Aaron, as your pastor doesn't appear to be doing a very good job.

Oh for heaven's sake!! What an accusation!! Prove it - and grow up.

Actually, it's already been proven. Like I said, the other poster already apologized for it.

 

[annsni]

So you say, but you're the one who has to have dancing girls in your church to entertain you.

I've heard many churches are trying "clown communion". Maybe you could try that next.

Why so insulting? Are you approaching this in a godly fashion and treating me as if I were your sister? I think not.

I say you're better off with Aaron, as your pastor doesn't appear to be doing a very good job.

That is your opinion and you have a right to it - even if it is seriously wrong.

Actually, it's already been proven. Like I said, the other poster already apologized for it.

So you can't show proof. I knew it. False accusation noted.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Why so insulting?

Oh, the irony!

Are you approaching this in a godly fashion and treating me as if I were your sister? I think not.

Personal attack edited]

That is your opinion and you have a right to it - even if it is seriously wrong.

I disagree. Your pastor is allowing this Unbiblical nonsense in your church. [personal attack edited]

So you can't show proof. I knew it. False accusation noted.

Personal attack edited

 

[annsni]

Honestly, because of your behavior, I cannot consider you my sister.

So you are saying I'm not saved?

And your childishness and lying are duly noted.

You made an accusation - support it. Prove to everyone here that I am lying and being childish. Prove to everyone here that I insulted your children. You've pushed this all along and I've yet to see where I did anything of the sort. False witness??

 

[annsni]

Oh, the irony!



Honestly, because of your behavior, I cannot consider you my sister.



I disagree. Your pastor is allowing this Unbiblical nonsense in your church. Your character does not show any positive influence by your pastor and, frankly, in a Biblical church, you'd have been disciplined by now.



And your childishness and lying are duly noted.

This is precisely why I do not consider you my sister. I cannot under any Biblical understanding of the word, consider you a Christian.

Just wanted to repost this so he can't remove where he is blantantly saying that I am not a Christian. Not even questioning my salvation but outright saying that I am not saved.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

So you are saying I'm not saved?

Personal attack edited

False witness??

[edit]

 

[annsni]

Yes. I am saying that I cannot reconcile your behavior with that of someone who is saved.



You don't have to sign your posts. We already know who you are.

John - Are you a pastor?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

John - Are you a pastor?

Sorry, but you're back on ignore [Personal attack edited]

 

[annsni]

Sorry, but you're back on ignore where you belong. Why don't you go and play "church" with your dancing girls.

I'm seriously speechless with your behavior. Completely stunned. I've never seen such a rude man - no less a "pastor". [personal attack edited]

 

[Jerome]

Can't we all just "feel the beat of the tambourine"?