Ok, show the same respect to the Lord as you would a football game, or a backyard cookout.
As for me, I will wear my best to the house of the Lord.
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Worship Songs
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Ok, show the same respect to the Lord as you would a football game, or a backyard cookout.
As for me, I will wear my best to the house of the Lord.
I cannot wear my best as this would be a direct violation of God's command regarding how we are to dress.
I take it this command is not only for worshipping but also outside of church as we live our lives in worship to God.
I get the idea that we determine how we worship based on our conscience but have a bit of a problem when conscious dictates dress in direct violation to God's commands.
What about a kilt? That is basically a man dress.
Wait....you wear a suit to a football game or back yard cookout???
I don't go to football games. But I would wear shorts and a t-shirt to a baseball game or backyard cookout.
I do not wear shorts to church. But that is because I have sexy knees and those women may be tempted to stare.
Actually, I do not wear shorts to church services because its indoors, could be chilly...I do wear shorts to church cookouts. And my knees are not sexy...23 years in the Army...scars and a partial replacement....kinda ugly knees).
Ok, I think I get it.
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Male adornment is not directly commanded, but can be understood as being similar to how females are commanded to dress.
1 Timothy 2
9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
1 Peter 3
3 Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear—
4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.
5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands,
6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening.
7 Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.
1 Timothy 2
9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
1 Peter 3
3 Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear—
4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.
5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands,
6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening.
7 Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.
Great!
I am just not sure where the line is drawn.
Is it the general population of where one lives?
I could not, in good conscience, wear a $300 suit to church knowing that most there could not afford a $50 suit. I just could not do it.
I would rather continue in my $50 outfit ($29 Lee jeans, $20 shirt) and use the rest to meet the needs of others.
But I am a younger old guy. I was 21 or 22 when Schindler's List came out. I only saw it once. I do not remember it. BUT I remember the end when, despite all he had done, Schindler lamented the gold ring on his finger because it could have saved more lives. That made an impression on me, perhaps because I was at an impressionable age, that it may not have done were I older.
Not that I do not spend more than I should (I like to travel). But ever sence then I appreciate modest clothes. My wedding band is gold...but white gold (and plain). My watch is expensive (you get what you pay for with watches) but plain (titanium).
That said, I truly believe it is a matter of conscious. But I cannot get over those commands to dress as the common man.
How do you deal with those commands?
Jon, I don't know what to say but to dress for the occasion.
Wear shorts and a t-shirt to a backyard bbq, would you wear that to your daughters wedding, I don't think so. It's just common sense.
If you go to a ball game, wear jeans and a t-shirt, would you wear that to a funeral of a loved one? Just common sense.
When you go to Church to honor our Lord, what apparel is common sense?
I agree with dressing for the occasion. But this is subjective and cultural.
Did Paul carry around walking clothes and Sunday clothes? Probably not. That was not the custom.
My cousin died last month. I wore jeans and a short sleeve button up shirt.
I think I wore jeans and a nice shirt to the last wedding I attended.
For church I dress nice. But nice is subjective (that guy you said was blasphemous for praising God while wearing a black t-shirt was dressed nice to me).
For work I wear jeans and a shirt with a pocket (reading glasses). In the summer its shorts and the same shirt. Never anything I would hate to loose if it becomes contaminated.
Eating at a nice restaurant? Jeans and a nice shirt. Thankfully the "fine dining" today foes not have the dress code of yesterday. I tend to drop food occasionally.
@Charlie24. I get where you are coming from. I am by no means saying you should not dress as your conscious dictates. We all have our idea of what is ideal.
I am, however, saying that you should not impose your conscience on other people.
Is the time changing from your ideal culture? No. It has already changed.
And you have with it. You were sporting the Gavin Newsom look ;-).
Wearing a suit without a tie has become acceptable because the culture of the world has changed. But this became very popular in the 1970's with the youth (a worldly shift in acceptable fashion). More recently it has made a comeback as business casual.
Now it is business attire to wear a jacket over a t-shirt and jeans.
Weird....huh?
One day it will be business attire to wear blue Jean shorts with tank tops. But don't worry...I doubt we will be around to see it.
We will all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ (for the saved only) and we will answer for what we have done is this body, whether it be good or bad.
I want to enter into that Judgment as one who honored the Lord with all he had.
I as well.
Have you ever considered that people you think blasphemous for praising God wearing a nice t-shirt do not have a suit.
I do not have a suit (anymore).
It is not about money but being a good steward of our money. I am not going to go out and buy a suit to meet the world's expectations of success or power in order to worship God.
Why? Because my best is not the clothes that I wear.
I do not want the world to look at me as meeting their standard for success. I have no desire to be admired by the world.
Ok, let's get it straight, Jon, there is no blasphemy in wearing a t-shirt to Church. I never said that!
The blasphemy is allowing Satan in the Church through his ungodly ways, such as the rock beat worship.
I am not superstitious. I reject that Satan has a rock beat. I do not subscribe to old wives tales.
This one I find particularly offensive because of its origin, but I know you do not mean it that way. You just dislike it so you call it satanic.
That is fine, I guess.
Your worship was called demonic because you use a piano.
And you are fine with others calling your praise satanic, so perhaps I should take a cue from you and simply allow it.
OK
I could be silent and not even express my views, and that was my first thought when I seen the thread. I actually weighed it out, the pro's and con's.
Then I thought what would the Lord think of my silence? So here we are at odds and the con's I previously weighed out.
I am that way with Christian Rap. I just don't get it. Can't understand a word. But I have witnessed many over the years reached through that music.
It is not the type of music that would be sung..rapped?...in church and it was not designed for that purpose. But it reaches people with the gospel. It was designed to being the gospel message into the world.
Reminds me of Paul speaking of evangelism. It is not about us. It is about God.
The obvious truth is Satan will not reach people with the gospel. One can at least gage a ministry by its fruits. And many reached by that genre have been faithful for years, even very active in churches.
That would be the "New Cart" I spoke of with David and the Ark.
God had a prescribed way to deliver the Ark, He would not accept any other way.
Now if you think God will allow his Words to effectively be delivered through the ways of the world, then I think you may not know God as well as you think.