Would a Preemptive Attack on North Korea be Justified? Considered Self-Defense?

[Crabtownboy]

Hank, so we should just ignore the teachings of Jesus on how we treat our enemies? Surely you are not saying by quoting Romans that the US government is equal to Jesus.

Oh Baloney CBT.

The USA is the "higher power" of Romans 13.
We call ourselves the strongest nation on earth.
The world looks (or used to look) to us to be the global police.

In the case of NOKO EVEN the UN censured them 100 PERCENT..
Everybody (including Russia and China) wants SOMEONE to be the global police chief!
Un threatened to turn us to ash.
He has depicted as such on their national TV.
This was long before the POTUS used his inflammatory words of which I approve.

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

If they fire missiles in our direction (Guam) then they will receive "fire and fury" as they so richly deserve.
However, the guidance systems are 1990 Russian ICBM. They have no guarantee WHATSOEVER of purposely missing the island of Guam claiming they will only come close.

If they fire 4 of them there is an almost 100 percent chance of one of them actually hitting the island itself if we can't shoot them down.

Yes there are innocents who will die just as there were in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

President Trump is of the same ilk as presidents Truman and Kennedy.

I'll toot my own horn -- Even before he became the POTUS I said President Trump will in all likely hood bring us into WWIII (just as Hillary would have), but at least with Trump we have a chance of winning and surviving.

WWIII is inevitable and has been a LONG time coming,
JFK averted it by threatening Khrushchev with the annihilation of Moscow.

If Trump wins by calling Un's bluff he will have bought us some time, maybe even a generation if China and Russia put their stamp of approval on Trump/USA as the global police chief WHICH IS WHAT THEY WANT THEMSELVES -anyone, even us. They would prefer a bloodless communist revolution which has been the general direction of our nation under the leadership of liberal leftists,

If Un ignores the POTUS and fires the missiles - welcome to WWIII (depending on China and Russia).
It maybe miraculous that they were among the 15 to censure KJU.

I believe you said you are a veteran CTB?

HankD

 

[Crabtownboy]

Clinton tried your idea. That is what got us in the current mess.

Are you saying that Clinton followed the teachings of Jesus and that by following those teachings Jesus created a mess? That if we follow the teachings of Jesus we will only end up with a mess? Tell me where and how Clinton followed the teachings of Jesus on how we are to treat our enemies. Thanks.

 

[HankD]

Hank, so we should just ignore the teachings of Jesus on how we treat our enemies? Surely you are not saying by quoting Romans that the US government is equal to Jesus.

Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

HankD

 

[Alcott]

That if we follow the teachings of Jesus we will only end up with a mess?

I don't know about a "mess," but he did say "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" [Matthew 10:34].

 

[Crabtownboy]

I don't know about a "mess," but he did say "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" [Matthew 10:34].

And that negates all his teachings on how we are to treat our enemies. You know, if you read the entire passage, keep the verse in context you might actually discover what he was talking about.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

HankD

So, you pick and choose and select only those you like. Don't quote one verse and try to make a doctrine out of it that contradicts all the teachings of Jesus about how we treat enemies.


By the way, there is only one verse in the entire Bible that can, with a stretch, be associated with abortion and that verse comes down on the side of the mother.

 

[Alcott]

And that negates all his teachings on how we are to treat our enemies. You know, if you read the entire passage, keep the verse in context you might actually discover what he was talking about.

Translation: "If you see anything different from the way I've made up my mind, it's out of context."

Every church or belief category does that.
So, what is the right way of "treating our enemies?" To chase them out with a whip, as Jesus himself did?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

The problem is the DPRK leader won't stay bought. As it's been noted above, it's been tried. And the leader kept pushing.

 

[HankD]

So, you pick and choose and select only those you like. Don't quote one verse and try to make a doctrine out of it that contradicts all the teachings of Jesus about how we treat enemies.


By the way, there is only one verse in the entire Bible that can, with a stretch, be associated with abortion and that verse comes down on the side of the mother.

No I do not pick and choose.

But shame on you for not considering the WHOLE counsel of God..

Advice for you CTB FWIW to you and all of us:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Un may soon become the object of Romans 13.

A godless communist mass murderer of his own family members and citizens and an obese leader of a starving and impoverished nation due to his own hand by keeping funds of life from his own people.

HankD

 

[Crabtownboy]

Translation: "If you see anything different from the way I've made up my mind, it's out of context."

Every church or belief category does that.
So, what is the right way of "treating our enemies?" To chase them out with a whip, as Jesus himself did?

Those in the Temple were not enemies. They were those who misused Judaism for their own gain.

Please go read what Jesus said.

 

[HankD]

Those in the Temple were not enemies. They were those who misused Judaism for their own gain.

Please go read what Jesus said.

They were a den of thieves and murderers:

Matthew 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

HankD

 

[Alcott]

Those in the Temple were not enemies. They were those who misused Judaism for their own gain.

Please go read what Jesus said.

That results in 2 interesting possibilities. 1) violence can be used against persons who are not your enemies, and 2)
turning God's temple into a "den of thieves" is not enmity with Him.

But do you really think when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor we should have 'turned the other cheek' and withdrew our defenses and invited them to bomb San Diego, too? Or, after 9-11 we should have negated all vetting for immigrants from predominantly muzzlimm countries?

 

[just-want-peace]

What if the preemptive attack was an EMP bomb that takes out North Korea's ability to launch missiles?
What if the preemptive attack is to otherwise destroy the missiles?
What if the preemptive attack was to hack the missiles so they wouldn't launch?
What if the preemptive attack was to assassinate Kim Jong Un?

I favor option 3 first, & 1 as a close 2nd.

 

[Use of Time]

Its the only realistic military option.

For a simpleton perhaps.

 

[Reynolds]

Are you saying that Clinton followed the teachings of Jesus and that by following those teachings Jesus created a mess? That if we follow the teachings of Jesus we will only end up with a mess? Tell me where and how Clinton followed the teachings of Jesus on how we are to treat our enemies. Thanks.

Clinton tried being nice, it made a mess.

 

[carpro]

North Korea has stated in specific terms how it would attack Guam, a U.S. territory. North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has been rattling sabers against the U.S. for years, really ramping it up of late with missile launches and claims of being able to reach the US with a missile and the ability to fit a nuclear device on one of these missiles.

Would a preemptive attack on North Korea be justified? Could it be considered self-defense?

No.





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[Crabtownboy]

Clinton tried being nice, it made a mess.

What was the mess?

 

[Crabtownboy]

That results in 2 interesting possibilities. 1) violence can be used against persons who are not your enemies, and 2)
turning God's temple into a "den of thieves" is not enmity with Him.

But do you really think when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor we should have 'turned the other cheek' and withdrew our defenses and invited them to bomb San Diego, too? Or, after 9-11 we should have negated all vetting for immigrants from predominantly muzzlimm countries?

No, we were locked in then. However do you know the reasons why some in Japan felt they had to attack?

 

[Alcott]

No, we were locked in then.

And that is an exemption from 'how Christ said to treat our enemies? (supposing, of course, that that applies to a country's battles).

However do you know the reasons why some in Japan felt they had to attack?

Sure, because weren't buying enough of their transistor radios.[/QUOTE]

 

[Crabtownboy]

Sure, because weren't buying enough of their transistor radios.

Replies like this tell me why they put "Do Not Eat" on silica gel packages.

Your ignorance is noted .............. again.