Would Paul Washer Be Welcome to Speak at Your Local Church

[JohnDeereFan]

There are any number of reasons why some on rolls of churches no longer attend.

Er, 92%???

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I have found his preaching to be absolutely refreshing and challenging. I especially like that sermon that he gave to the youths about entering through the narrow gate. POWERFUL!

Same here.

 

[Yeshua1]

No offense to the OP but... :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

The lord saved me over 30 years ago in College, and I have read and am well versed in all things theological, but who is this dude, never heard of him?

 

[InTheLight]

No, Paul Washer would not be welcome in my church.

I find it interesting (actually, sad) that Washer and the guy in the video are both deciding who is saved and who is not saved. Must be nice to be god-like.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

No, Paul Washer would not be welcome in my church.

I find it interesting (actually, sad) that Washer and the guy in the video are both deciding who is saved and who is not saved. Must be nice to be god-like.

Funny how two people can listen to the same thing, but hear something different.

You say you hear him deciding who is saved. I hear him proclaiming what God has already said and explaining the criteria for salvation.

You make it sound as if he's saying, "Bob, congratulations! You're saved! Joe, too bad about you. You're going to Hell."

That's not what he's saying at all. He's explaining what the Bible says you must do to be saved and discussing what happens to those who have done that, those people who haven't, and those who say they have, but are producing no good fruit.

 

[saturneptune]

No, Paul Washer would not be welcome in my church.

I find it interesting (actually, sad) that Washer and the guy in the video are both deciding who is saved and who is not saved. Must be nice to be god-like.

We usually do not agree, but I have seen this guy and person, his effects on a spiritually mature congregation, and consider him an infection on the Christian faith to put it nicely.

 

[saturneptune]

Funny how two people can listen to the same thing, but hear something different.

You say you hear him deciding who is saved. I hear him proclaiming what God has already said and explaining the criteria for salvation.

You make it sound as if he's saying, "Bob, congratulations! You're saved! Joe, too bad about you. You're going to Hell."

That's not what he's saying at all. He's explaining what the Bible says you must do to be saved and discussing what happens to those who have done that, those people who haven't, and those who say they have, but are producing no good fruit.

And you give money to this nutcase???? Just what kind of Gospel do you believe?? A works Gospel?? I would give money to the Mafia before Heart Cry. You claim you love his sermons. Sermons are suppose to be about glorifying God, not Paul Washer. What a piece of garbage.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

... and consider him an infection on the Christian faith to put it nicely.

I've got a different way of putting it.

A boil on the b-- ... never mind.

 

[preacher4truth]

The lord saved me over 30 years ago in College, and I have read and am well versed in all things theological, but who is this dude, never heard of him?

Try this...

 

[JohnDeereFan]

And you give money to this nutcase????

Yes. We give money to our brothers in Christ to support their missionary efforts.

Just what kind of Gospel do you believe??

The Biblical Gospel.

A works Gospel??

Not at all. If we did, then we probably wouldn't support Heartcry, which believes in a grace based salvation which can not be earned or merited.

If Washer believed in a works-based gospel, then doesn't it strike you as a little odd that he would place himself under the authority of a pastor who routinely preaches against a works-based gospel and is a member of a church called "Grace Life Church"

I would give money to the Mafia before Heart Cry.

Sadly, I believe you would.

You claim you love his sermons.

Yes. I have about two dozen of them on my ipod.

Sermons are suppose to be about glorifying God, not Paul Washer.

I agree. So does Paul Washer.

If Paul Washer is in it for his own glory, then he's really, really bad at it. I've seen his house and his truck and they're not the house and truck of somebody who's in it for their own glory. He could easily make millions. He doesn't. He's paid a small stipend and is under the authority of his pastor and his church.

What a piece of garbage.

Yep. There's that good old Arminian fruit of the spirit, for you. Which spirit, I'm afraid to ask.

 

[preacher4truth]

Washer doesn't preach a works Gospel, he preaches the Gospel that works.

 

[saturneptune]

Yep. There's that good old Arminian fruit of the spirit, for you. Which spirit, I'm afraid to ask.

Arminian and Calvinism has nothing to do with being a heretic. I was raised a conservative Presbyterian and believe in sovereignty and election light years from what you have posted.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Arminian and Calvinism has nothing to do with being a heretic.

I didn't say anything about your doctrine. I said it's indicative of the fruit you're producing.

I was raised a conservative Presbyterian and believe in sovereignty and election light years from what you have posted.

Evidence that you didn't even bother to read my posts. I didn't say anything about sovereignty or election.

 

[InTheLight]

Funny how two people can listen to the same thing, but hear something different.

You say you hear him deciding who is saved. I hear him proclaiming what God has already said and explaining the criteria for salvation.

You make it sound as if he's saying, "Bob, congratulations! You're saved! Joe, too bad about you. You're going to Hell."

That's not what he's saying at all. He's explaining what the Bible says you must do to be saved and discussing what happens to those who have done that, those people who haven't, and those who say they have, but are producing no good fruit.

Here's the video. Go to 8:15 or so and listen for a minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYkdVj7d5o

 

[saturneptune]

I didn't say anything about your doctrine. I said it's indicative of the fruit you're producing.



Evidence that you didn't even bother to read my posts. I didn't say anything about sovereignty or election.

The fruit I produce will be judged by God, and when I see an entertainer posing as a man of God, I will point it out. The only thing Paul Washer has in common with fruit is that he is a fruitcake.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Here's the video. Go to 8:15 or so and listen for a minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYkdVj7d5o

Here's the video. Go to 8:15 or so and listen for a minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYkdVj7d5o

I don't understand what you object to. All he says is that his missionary work takes place in Third World countries and that when he observes the difference in their understanding and ours, that ours, as a culture, is based more on the world's culture, rather than on the Word of God and, as a result, many people are deceived a because they believe they're saved in spite of their lack of repentance or fruit, simply because they repeated a canned prayer.

I'd say that's pretty much dead on.

My favorite line: "I don't know what you're applauding for. I'm talking about you. "

 

[JohnDeereFan]

The fruit I produce will be judged by God

Then why are you judging Washer's fruit?

The only thing Paul Washer has in common with fruit is that he is a fruitcake.

Is that an example of the fruit you want God to judge?

 

[saturneptune]

I don't understand what you object to. All he says is that his missionary work takes place in Third World countries and that when he observes the difference in their understanding and ours, that ours, as a culture, is based more on the world's culture, rather than on the Word of God and, as a result, many people are deceived a because they believe they're saved in spite of their lack of repentance or fruit, simply because they repeated a canned prayer.

I'd say that's pretty much dead on.

My favorite line: "I don't know what you're applauding for. I'm talking about you. "

You do not understand what he objects to because you do not listen, which is the only possible explanation for admiring Paul Washer. Paul Washer during that minute gave a pep talk for being a Pharisee, not living by faith in the Lord.

I am no fan of the sinner's prayer, because the Lord saves, not a chant. However, this has nothing to do with the character of Paul Washer. Aside from preaching a works salvation, he is rude, arrogant, mean, hateful and disrespectful. Nothing he does honors the Lord. And yes, I have seen his Jungle Jim presentation of being in South America. So who hasn't been in a foreign country and experienced the culture and told others about Christ?

 

[saturneptune]

More testimony on the true nature of Paul Washer......................

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falseteachers/paul-washer.htm

http://www.truegospel.com/washervd.html

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/paul_washer.htm

 

[HungryInherit]

I wouldn't listen to him or give heartcry a dime of my money