Would you eat at any of these reastruants?

[Salty]

Mrs Saty and I occasionally eat at some of the restaurants at Turning Stone.
The other day, I asked a fellow pastor - that we should get together - and
on a Sunday afternoon have lunch. I asked him about meeting at Turning Stone,
since it would be about half-way between us.

However, he does not want to go there. The reason being is that a good portion of
TS is a Casino. He said it would be a bad testimony for a pastor to be there.
I do not have to walk thru the actual Casino area to get to the restaurants but they are nearby

Here is a link to the map of the building - (Note- the orange is the gaming areas)

(NOTE) for the purpose of the poll - we would be going dutch)

 

[Reynolds]

Mrs Saty and I occasionally eat at some of the restaurants at Turning Stone.
The other day, I asked a fellow pastor - that we should get together - and
on a Sunday afternoon have lunch. I asked him about meeting at Turning Stone,
since it would be about half-way between us.

However, he does not want to go there. The reason being is that a good portion of
TS is a Casino. He said it would be a bad testimony for a pastor to be there.
I do not have to walk thru the actual Casino area to get to the restaurants but they are nearby

Here is a link to the map of the building - (Note- the orange is the gaming areas)

(NOTE) for the purpose of the poll - we would be going dutch)

You posted this identical thread before.
You asked the same pastor out to eat again?

 

[Reynolds]

Going out for lunch...

 

[kyredneck]

You posted this identical thread before.

...dontcha know?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Well, I missed the earlier thread, which didn't have a poll BTW.

The place is actually called Turning Stone Resort Casino on the website. So, I would agree with that pastor. An exception might be made, if they allow open evangelism on the premises.

Oneida Indian Nation’s Turning Stone Resort Casino features world-class amenities including five hotels, two luxurious spas, five golf courses, more than 20 dining options, a 125,000 square foot Vegas-style gaming floor, a cabaret-style Showroom, a 5,000-seat Event Center, customizable meeting and conference spaces and four night life venues.​

 

[KenH]

Since I wager on horse races as a hobby, I would have no problem eating at Turning Stone, nor have a problem with going to a Casino. Period.

Colossians 2:20-23 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

 

[AustinC]

My wife and I stopped in at a Casino for an Anniversary buffet and then got a dollars worth of pennies to play the penny slots. After about 15 pennies my wife turns to me and says, "How much is 50,000 pennies?" I said, I don't know, but we should cash out. So we cashed out and it paid for our Anniversary weekend. We haven't ever gambled since (gotta say that 15 minutes of slot machines was boring). We thanked God for the Anniversary gift and moved on.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

My agreement with that pastor is not about someone going to that resort casino. It’s about his going, his reputation, and more importantly his influence on others.

That pastor is quite right to be very concerned. Once he goes, ungoing may prove impossible with unintended, undesirable consequences. His going could be a gamble with much at stake.

 

[Reynolds]

My agreement with that pastor is not about someone going to that resort casino. It’s about his going, his reputation, and more importantly his influence on others.

That pastor is quite right to be very concerned. Once he goes, ungoing may prove impossible with unintended, undesirable consequences. His going could be a gamble with much at stake.

It definitely has the ability to become a "stumbling block" to other Christians.

 

[just-want-peace]

If a pastor was stopped in a store by a woman, & he spent a few minutes talking to her, he could be accused of infidelity if observed by one of his flock — if the sheep recognized her as a woman of the red-light district of a neighboring town!!!
Bottom line: each individual needs to be tuned to the HS re: his choices!

 

[37818]

Personally I would have no problem going to such a restaurant. I also have no problem with the view of never going to such a restaurant.

 

[Salty]

When I was a young teen in church, I remember the pastor saying he would never go anywhere that alcohol was sold.

Nowadays - virtually every restaurant and supermarket sell alcohol!
Does this mean that those pastors -now never go grocery shopping and only eat out at McDonalds or Burger King?

The question is: do we go to the extremes of "personal convictions" or are those "convictions" just something we were taught - and we took it as full gospel?

As a teenager - I was taught its best we not go to the movie theater- (this was before the Motion Picture Association ratings - I joined the Army - I went to the movies - the first couple times - I felt funny - but I realized that it not that big of a deal, Granted - we would never go to an X movie which AAFMPS never distributed. The main reason we went to a movie was that we did not have access to AFN-TV. And the movies were cheap at 25 cents.
Never once did anyone ever call my testimony into question. We lived on a small base and just about everybody knew everybody else.

 

[just-want-peace]

We are IN the world, just not OF the world.

If we declined to do “business” with ONLY those who adhered to Christian standards, we could survive only by living as some on this board - - - farmers with the capability of totally living off the grid.​

 

[Salty]

We are IN the world, just not OF the world. ...

AKA - THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SHIP IN THE SEA
Problems arise when the sea gets into the ship!

and Scripture does state: "Go ye into all the world..."

 

[kyredneck]

AKA - THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SHIP IN THE SEA
Problems arise when the sea gets into the ship!

and Scripture does state: "Go ye into all the world..."

"Like a lotus flower in muddy water, touched but not soiled". - from one of those eastern philosophies

 

[Silverhair]

If that pastor thinks his walk could be brought into question by going to eat at that establishment then I would be wondering why he thinks it would only take that to make his walk questionable.

 

[JonC]

I would have no problem eating there. I'd also have no problem playing the quarter slots while waiting on a table.

BUT I would not push my friend to eat there if it is against his convictions.

 

[Reynolds]

When I was a young teen in church, I remember the pastor saying he would never go anywhere that alcohol was sold.

Nowadays - virtually every restaurant and supermarket sell alcohol!
Does this mean that those pastors -now never go grocery shopping and only eat out at McDonalds or Burger King?

The question is: do we go to the extremes of "personal convictions" or are those "convictions" just something we were taught - and we took it as full gospel?

As a teenager - I was taught its best we not go to the movie theater- (this was before the Motion Picture Association ratings - I joined the Army - I went to the movies - the first couple times - I felt funny - but I realized that it not that big of a deal, Granted - we would never go to an X movie which AAFMPS never distributed. The main reason we went to a movie was that we did not have access to AFN-TV. And the movies were cheap at 25 cents.
Never once did anyone ever call my testimony into question. We lived on a small base and just about everybody knew everybody else.

As long as your conscience is clean that you are not causing a brother to stumble, have at it.

 

[Reynolds]

I would have no problem eating there. I'd also have no problem playing the quarter slots while waiting on a table.

BUT I would not push my friend to eat there if it is against his convictions.

I agree, but I am not pastoring right now either. If I were, you would not catch me in or near a casino. Not because I believe it is sin, but because I know it is an extreme danger to become a stumbling block.

 

[AustinC]

As long as your conscience is clean that you are not causing a brother to stumble, have at it.

There is a flip-side to this, which seems to be neglected.
*Romans 14:14,16*

I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil.

The one who has little faith is not to speak evil of the one whose faith allows him to do what the other man cannot dare to do.

So, the man of strong faith seeks to care for his brother whose faith is weak, but he also does not bear with one who speaks of his freedom as though it were evil, when it is not evil.

Therefore I do not drink alcohol in the fellowship of a believer for which it causes a stumbling block, but I also do not abide by that weaker brother telling me or other brothers that we are less holy because we enjoy a good draught of ale.