Would you ever invite a person of color

[Steven Yeadon]

What about it? You’ll have to be more specific, if you want to make a case. I asked a simple question there early on, but got zero info back, so saw it as a non-serious thread.

You are new here, and BTW, so is Sai, and he’s not Baptist, and he’s not white.
Probably. But then, aren't you skating on thin ice yourself saying things like this?
It's getting close to breaking a cardinal rule here.

I'll defend Miss E by providing an example of a more divisive thread whose topic is shameless. Thank God the Baptist forums don't see the stuff I see in the Other Denominations forum.

George Floyd Not a Christian?

There are those arguing well outside of scripture to like 99% of Baptists. They derail threads for pages at a time, and argue things that would get them disciplined by their church.

Of course, if people do this, report them. This Baptist Board enforces a modicum of orthodoxy, especially in the Baptist forums.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I'll defend Miss E by providing an example of a more divisive thread whose topic is shameless. Thank God the Baptist forums don't see the stuff I see in the Other Denominations forum.

George Floyd Not a Christian?

There are those arguing well outside of scripture to like 99% of Baptists. They derail threads for pages at a time, and argue things that would get them disciplined by their church.

Of course, if people do this, report them. This Baptist Board enforces a modicum of orthodoxy, especially in the Baptist forums.

Thanks, SY, but again, I'm not interested in trying to figure out which posts prove the case. Who on here, which I originally took to be the Baptist only section, is trying to divide us by race and how?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I point out the things I see, it doesn't mean I believe in what I'm pointing out. So there's the difference.

You don't even look into the thread? OK, I give you evidence of people trying to divide us and it is there in the thread. Not my fault you won't deign to look at it.

And oops, my bad. Did I break a rule? Ban me. I don't really care. I will speak the truth as I see fit when God convicts me to point it out!

Well, you’re missing my points a bit, but I understand you’ve been having a bad day, so I'm not going to press them. And AFAIK I’ve never had anything to do with anyone getting banned here.

Just remember, if you want someone to see what you see, you may have to point it out a bit more specifically.

But as far as being divided by race, I for one feel immune to that anyway, being too old, too experienced for that sort of nonsense, so it’s possible I may not even notice an attempt. I do, however, admit that, despite my fondness for sci-fi, I might not take to extraterrestrials right away.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Thanks, SY, but again, I'm not interested in trying to figure out which posts prove the case. Who on here, which I originally took to be the Baptist only section, is trying to divide us by race and how?

I understand. Thank you. This thread and many others are plain divisive. The topic of this thread is not to heal with our words. We are told to heal with our words.

Proverbs 12:18
There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.

I'm going to stop being rash and shut up in this thread.

 

[xlsdraw]

I understand. Thank you. This thread and many others are plain divisive. The topic of this thread is not to heal with our words. We are told to heal with our words.

Proverbs 12:18
There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.

I'm going to stop being rash and shut up in this thread.

This is the other reason why I posted.
I warned a few days ago that we need to take the emotion out of the conversation. But threads are being started based on the blind bias of their emotions.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I understand. Thank you. This thread and many others are plain divisive. The topic of this thread is not to heal with our words. We are told to heal with our words.

Proverbs 12:18
There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.

I'm going to stop being rash and shut up in this thread.

I appreciate your spirit, SY. You set a good example for us old people. Some of these topics are especially touchy, and I’m sure I don’t show nearly enough sensitivity. It may be hard to imagine, and it’s no excuse, but even with all the crazy things I say, there are still some big ones that got away!

 

[John I Morris]

I have been absent for a while now. I don't understand all of the hate in this post. I am considered to be white, I am not apologizing for being that. If you want to that is your business, not mine. I did not sin by being white, I have had to earn whatever I have in life, so no privilege here. I am not taking a knee to any man, for any reason, only to Christ and Christ alone. So, if that is offensive, to bad! Don't agree with slavery, never had a slave nor did any of my ancestors 5 generations or so back. Christ died for all, therefore all lives matter. I'm done...

 

[George Antonios]

More specifically, Racism is thinking your race is superior simply based on race.
For example some might say: Blacks are always better than Whites in basketball.

That's not as Biblical as it sounds unless you're referring to spiritual superiority, because in the flesh, some races are superior to others Biblically; and unless you're not thinking of the ethically bad sense of the term "racism".
I now am addressing all readers.
The differences between the races are as real as reality, and that is not a justifiable basis for hate, nor for envy for that matter. The problem is that many use that as a basis for hatred, and the devil has used the racist horrors of WWII by pushing our reflexive overcompensation to an extreme, whereby even the church has totally soaked up the world's view of races rather than the Bible's, to the point of saying with the world insane things like "race is a social construct". If you agree with that, then you ought to also agree with the world that "gender is a social construct". The world is sometimes more consistent than the Christians. How can we not see that the devil has swung the pendulum over to the other side of the ditch? Because our minds are more formed by the Media than the Bible.

Please listen, Racism, when it merely acknowledges differences between races, is not evil. But when it justifies hatred or injustice based on said differences, then it becomes evil.

I'm an Arab, and Jews are superior to Arabs (and every other race too) as far as the flesh is concerned, and the flesh is where race is found. That's not my opinion, that's Paul's:
Php 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Why more? Because:
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

I'm not talking about individuals, as there are always exceptions, but all races are not equal in their physical and mental or even moral capacities. However, all souls are equal in terms of worth in the eyes of God and are to be equally loved and justly treated.
It's amazing how this temperate, balanced, Biblical view, has become so anathema to people, yet only the temperate, balanced view will save us from the extremes:
A) deny the differences or even the existence of races and you have Communism;
B) justify hatred based on those differences and you've got what some would call Fascism.

Swinging to either extreme only worsens the problem and plays into the devil's hand.

And yes, the OP is that much self-righteous, Biblically-superficial, grand-standing, unless you provide examples and are ready to speak.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I will not kneel down to BLM, and act as if I was into slavery, but will stand with any Brother of any color as one in Christ!

Some people are born free even in ghettos, even under persecution, etc. I should think it’s a matter of spirit.

 

[Reynolds]

Agreed. I would NEVER find myself on the same side as Antifa.

Perhaps you are misreading what I was saying. I was saying a common faulty argument used on BB is to accuse someone you disagree with as being a marxist liberal. It happens on a daily basis, perhaps many times a day.

A couple on here are just that. If I labeled you, I would say moderate conservative. If I labeled myself, I would say Neo-con.

 

[Reynolds]

I have been absent for a while now. I don't understand all of the hate in this post. I am considered to be white, I am not apologizing for being that. If you want to that is your business, not mine. I did not sin by being white, I have had to earn whatever I have in life, so no privilege here. I am not taking a knee to any man, for any reason, only to Christ and Christ alone. So, if that is offensive, to bad! Don't agree with slavery, never had a slave nor did any of my ancestors 5 generations or so back. Christ died for all, therefore all lives matter. I'm done...

I come from a mixed bag of ancestors. Indians that didnt own slaves. A half Cherokee who was a huge slave holder. White share croppers, and a white man who was the biggest slave holder in this county.

 

[AustinC]

Does anyone agree with what George Antonios said?

all races are not equal in their physical and mental or even moral capacities.

Race does not exist. You will find no biological evidence for it.
Gender, however, does exist. Why? Because there is biological evidence.
Therefore, race is a social construct.

That should suffice.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I come from a mixed bag of ancestors. Indians that didnt own slaves. A half Cherokee who was a huge slave holder. White share croppers, and a white man who was the biggest slave holder in this county.

LOL.... and mine were the political and military leaders of the Confederate States of America. They started as Welsh coal miner immigrants.

 

[George Antonios]

Does anyone agree with what George Antonios said?



Race does not exist. You will find no biological evidence for it.
Gender, however, does exist. Why? Because there is biological evidence.
Therefore, race is a social construct.

That should suffice.

The Bible may not use the modern word "race" but it's still a rose "by any other name":

Gen 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. [...] Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. [...] Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

No amount of semantics can get around the different words used. I'm not finished: When quoting Acts 17:26, many choose to ignore the second half: Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Question: did God set bounds for Lebanese, Danish, and Congolese, Chinese, Germans, and Spaniards, or did he not set the bounds of the 3 sons of Noah on 3 continents in Genesis?
Africa is literally the land of Ham (Ps.105:23, 27; 106:22) - watch it, it's 1 head of 1 African "nation" according to Paul's usage of the word nations in his speech.

Well all know that the basic 3 are white, red, and black, and there's nothing controversial here - it's actually a beautiful thing, it's not something to be fought.

Many agree with me but they're under some false guilt or fear to say so. The world has conformed the Western Christians.

"race" is a Biblical truth. That should suffice.

 

[JonC]

That's not as Biblical as it sounds unless you're referring to spiritual superiority, because in the flesh, some races are superior to others Biblically; and unless you're not thinking of the ethically bad sense of the term "racism".
I now am addressing all readers.
The differences between the races are as real as reality, and that is not a justifiable basis for hate, nor for envy for that matter. The problem is that many use that as a basis for hatred, and the devil has used the racist horrors of WWII by pushing our reflexive overcompensation to an extreme, whereby even the church has totally soaked up the world's view of races rather than the Bible's, to the point of saying with the world insane things like "race is a social construct". If you agree with that, then you ought to also agree with the world that "gender is a social construct". The world is sometimes more consistent than the Christians. How can we not see that the devil has swung the pendulum over to the other side of the ditch? Because our minds are more formed by the Media than the Bible.

Please listen, Racism, when it merely acknowledges differences between races, is not evil. But when it justifies hatred or injustice based on said differences, then it becomes evil.

I'm an Arab, and Jews are superior to Arabs (and every other race too) as far as the flesh is concerned, and the flesh is where race is found. That's not my opinion, that's Paul's:
Php 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Why more? Because:
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

I'm not talking about individuals, as there are always exceptions, but all races are not equal in their physical and mental or even moral capacities. However, all souls are equal in terms of worth in the eyes of God and are to be equally loved and justly treated.
It's amazing how this temperate, balanced, Biblical view, has become so anathema to people, yet only the temperate, balanced view will save us from the extremes:
A) deny the differences or even the existence of races and you have Communism;
B) justify hatred based on those differences and you've got what some would call Fascism.

Swinging to either extreme only worsens the problem and plays into the devil's hand.

And yes, the OP is that much self-righteous, Biblically-superficial, grand-standing, unless you provide examples and are ready to speak.

Racism is not merely acknowledging that people have different colors of skin. Racism is acting on a prejudice against a race or acting on the assumption that one race is superior to another.

You do not seem to understand what "in the flesh" means. It means humanity - being human. Race is not a factor.

There is no difference between races. There is a difference between cultures but race is not the determining factor.

When it comes to races all are equal. Race does not determine one's physical, mental or even moral capacities. You are simply wrong on this point. I am not even talking "exceptions".

Your thinking is racial. If you apply it it is racism.

 

[George Antonios]

Racism is not merely acknowledging that people have different colors of skin. Racism is acting on a prejudice against a race or acting on the assumption that one race is superior to another.

You do not seem to understand what "in the flesh" means. It means humanity - being human. Race is not a factor.

There is no difference between races. There is a difference between cultures but race is not the determining factor.

When it comes to races all are equal. Race does not determine one's physical, mental or even moral capacities. You are simply wrong on this point. I am not even talking "exceptions".

Your thinking is racial. If you apply it it is racism.

see post #54 for races.

Only you Western Christians (whom we otherwise admire for many good reasons) who have sucked at the teats of Liberal Arts Colleges and Mainstream Media for 70 years now can come to convince yourselves of such anti-common sense, and anti-Biblical, propositions.
No wonder your society is all about gender-fluidity. The western church can't stop it because the western church has bought into it - ONE STEP REMOVED. And you guys are our example... God help us.

 

[JonC]

see post #54 for races.

Only you Western Christians (whom we otherwise admire for many good reasons) who have sucked at the teats of Liberal Arts Colleges and Mainstream Media for 70 years now can come to convince yourselves of such anti-common sense, and anti-Biblical, propositions.
No wonder your society is all about gender-fluidity. The western church can't stop it because the western church has bought into it - ONE STEP REMOVED. And you guys are our example... God help us.

You can say anti-racism is a western ideology, an anti-biblical notion, and void of common sense. But you need to provide evidence.

What race do you believe is superior mentally and morally?

 

[Reynolds]

You can say anti-racism is a western ideology, an anti-biblical notion, and void of common sense. But you need to provide evidence.

What race do you believe is superior mentally and morally?

Mentally Oriental is superior.

 

[JonC]

Mentally Oriental is superior.

Nah....mentally Southern is superior 'cause it comes with a stubbornness that can overcome any adversary. .

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

see post #54 for races.

Only you Western Christians (whom we otherwise admire for many good reasons) who have sucked at the teats of Liberal Arts Colleges and Mainstream Media for 70 years now can come to convince yourselves of such anti-common sense, and anti-Biblical, propositions.
No wonder your society is all about gender-fluidity. The western church can't stop it because the western church has bought into it - ONE STEP REMOVED. And you guys are our example... God help us.

We've definitely got some problems due to the influence of godless academia and media. I may not agree with the exact explanation, but there are definitely racial differences that make a difference.

I also recall many years ago a sportscaster being summarily dismissed for mentioning that slaves were bred for performance and that this accounted for some of the prowess of black players. Oops. Bye-bye.