Would you ever invite a person of color

[JonC]

I cringe. They believe black americans are helpless without them. So many are telling them to be quiet, but they won't listen.

You'll get a kick out of this one. Interviews of white attendees of a white privilege conference. Yes, there is such thing. Afterward, they interview African Americans. Priceless.

I have not used any of my white privilege. I worked two to three jobs until getting laid off at a factory (I worked one full time job and two part time jobs). Then I joined the Army as a private and stayed until I retired. Most of my leaders and friends were of minority races (most were Hispanic).

I say that to say this. My white privilege account remains fully funded. I am willing to sell it all in one transaction of $2500 or split it between people for $1500 each. PM me and we can make arrangements via zelle.

I thought about renting it out but that sounded immoral.

 

[AustinC]

I have not used any of my white privilege. I worked two to three jobs until getting laid off at a factory (I worked one full time job and two part time jobs). Then I joined the Army as a private and stayed until I retired. Most of my leaders and friends were of minority races (most were Hispanic).

I say that to say this. My white privilege account remains fully funded. I am willing to sell it all in one transaction of $2500 or split it between people for $1500 each. PM me and we can make arrangements via zelle.

I thought about renting it out but that sounded immoral.

JonC, you don't have to consciously use your white privilege. You simply have it by virtue of being white. When you walk into a store, you don't have to worry that security is tracking you as a potential shoplifter. When you drive in a neighborhood, you don't have to worry about being pulled over because of your skin color. You simply get these privileges...and you should get these privileges...but so should all humans regardless of skin tone.

 

[JonC]

JonC, you don't have to consciously use your white privilege. You simply have it by virtue of being white. When you walk into a store, you don't have to worry that security is tracking you as a potential shoplifter. When you drive in a neighborhood, you don't have to worry about being pulled over because of your skin color. You simply get these privileges...and you should get these privileges...but so should all humans regardless of skin tone.

I do not understand that kind of thinking. Where I live I am a minority race. People do not seem to look at white people or black people as if they were potential shoplifters. When my wife worked at Walmart people did look at some people based on how they were dressed as potential shoplifters - and that may have been wrong - but it had nothing to do with race.

If someone says a person has benefited from white privilege based solely on their race without any specific proof or examples of this benefit then is that not racism?

I can't help but to see it as racism because it is assuming I have actually benefited from something based on a theoretical approach to what some may have experienced due to past systemic racism and unjust systemic practices. But let's call racism out when we see it. Steele was right - "white guilt" and "black power" are two different ways of saying the exact same thing. And it is racism.

When you see a black man do you automatically assume he is a criminal?

I don't. And since I don't I cannot find a legitimate reason to conclude that the majority of people do. Perhaps some think that way (some black people may think white people are racists based on the color of their skin....racism does exist and I'm not saying otherwise).

But "white privilege" needs to be proven, not assumed. You have to first prove it exists in the majority (that it is not isolated incidents) that race was the determining factor, and that it results in a legitimate privilege for white people. Otherwise accusations of white privilege are just another form of racism.

 

[George Antonios]

JonC, you don't have to consciously use your white privilege. You simply have it by virtue of being white. When you walk into a store, you don't have to worry that security is tracking you as a potential shoplifter. When you drive in a neighborhood, you don't have to worry about being pulled over because of your skin color. You simply get these privileges...and you should get these privileges...but so should all humans regardless of skin tone.

ONLY someone living a life of ease can believe and say such things. You talk about privilege...that is some privileged opinion right there! The privilege of living it up! Come with me to the Middle East for a month. You think Israelis would survive without racial profiling? I'm Lebanese. If the Israelis did not practice racial profiling, Israel would be done in 3 months. It's not their fault: when mostly Arabs kill you, you check out mostly Arabs. That's on us! And when mostly Jews kill you too, you check out mostly Jews. Classroom idealisms are ever divorced from reality, and only the privileged who don't have to fear for their life or property can seriously entertain such ideas. I'm not even American, and it's clear to us outside the US that the privilege today belongs to the non-whites. It's the whites that get profiled and judged and discriminated against. And I'm not even a Japhethite.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

JonC, you don't have to consciously use your white privilege. You simply have it by virtue of being white. When you walk into a store, you don't have to worry that security is tracking you as a potential shoplifter. When you drive in a neighborhood, you don't have to worry about being pulled over because of your skin color. You simply get these privileges...and you should get these privileges...but so should all humans regardless of skin tone.

Some sort of white preference may exist in certain pockets, but not to the extent of modern black or minority privilege.

There are positions, contracts, scholarships, and benefits available only to those of a certain minority status, some of it by law, some of it by "arrangement," some of it by the choices of those who hire or live in a neighborhood.

And there are neighborhoods I would not go into being white, unless I had a death wish, or at least wanted to be mugged and left for dead. God has rescued me more than once from such situations.

National systemic white privilege does not exist. However, national systemic minority privilege does.

 

[church mouse guy]

Money talks--I get drownded out of the conversation.

 

[AustinC]

I do not understand that kind of thinking. Where I live I am a minority race. People do not seem to look at white people or black people as if they were potential shoplifters. When my wife worked at Walmart people did look at some people based on how they were dressed as potential shoplifters - and that may have been wrong - but it had nothing to do with race.

If someone says a person has benefited from white privilege based solely on their race without any specific proof or examples of this benefit then is that not racism?

I can't help but to see it as racism because it is assuming I have actually benefited from something based on a theoretical approach to what some may have experienced due to past systemic racism and unjust systemic practices. But let's call racism out when we see it. Steele was right - "white guilt" and "black power" are two different ways of saying the exact same thing. And it is racism.

When you see a black man do you automatically assume he is a criminal?

I don't. And since I don't I cannot find a legitimate reason to conclude that the majority of people do. Perhaps some think that way (some black people may think white people are racists based on the color of their skin....racism does exist and I'm not saying otherwise).

But "white privilege" needs to be proven, not assumed. You have to first prove it exists in the majority (that it is not isolated incidents) that race was the determining factor, and that it results in a legitimate privilege for white people. Otherwise accusations of white privilege are just another form of racism.

JonC, simply because you do not personally understand, it does not mean that you do not benefit from being white. Indeed, the fact that you do not understand is a direct result of you being white. So much of what you and I take for granted is because of a system that is not colorblind. Whether color matters to you, or not, is irrelevant. What matters is that a system was established that gives benefits to white skinned people and that system has not yet been eliminated. The system to replace it must be colorblind, economic status blind and culture blind. Christians can either work to have a voice in redesigning the system or Christians can be silent and try to avoid the change that is coming. I say, we Christians should get our voices into the ring and positively effect change instead of complaining and calling the change agents demonic. God is giving us a window to promote a biblical understanding of justice and equity for all. Let us not deny the issue and fight against the change that God has ordained. Let us lead the change with a Christian voice of biblical clarity and reason.

 

[church mouse guy]

JonC, simply because you do not personally understand, it does not mean that you do not benefit from being white. Indeed, the fact that you do not understand is a direct result of you being white. So much of what you and I take for granted is because of a system that is not colorblind. Whether color matters to you, or not, is irrelevant. What matters is that a system was established that gives benefits to white skinned people and that system has not yet been eliminated. The system to replace it must be colorblind, economic status blind and culture blind. Christians can either work to have a voice in redesigning the system or Christians can be silent and try to avoid the change that is coming. I say, we Christians should get our voices into the ring and positively effect change instead of complaining and calling the change agents demonic. God is giving us a window to promote a biblical understanding of justice and equity for all. Let us not deny the issue and fight against the change that God has ordained. Let us lead the change with a Christian voice of biblical clarity and reason.

What is the name of this system? Who established it? Democrats? Why didn't Obama do something about it? Will voting Democrat fix it?

 

[JonC]

JonC, simply because you do not personally understand, it does not mean that you do not benefit from being white. Indeed, the fact that you do not understand is a direct result of you being white. So much of what you and I take for granted is because of a system that is not colorblind. Whether color matters to you, or not, is irrelevant. What matters is that a system was established that gives benefits to white skinned people and that system has not yet been eliminated. The system to replace it must be colorblind, economic status blind and culture blind. Christians can either work to have a voice in redesigning the system or Christians can be silent and try to avoid the change that is coming. I say, we Christians should get our voices into the ring and positively effect change instead of complaining and calling the change agents demonic. God is giving us a window to promote a biblical understanding of justice and equity for all. Let us not deny the issue and fight against the change that God has ordained. Let us lead the change with a Christian voice of biblical clarity and reason.

When you see a black man do you assume he is a criminal while assuming white men are honest?

If so, then perhaps you are projecting your own racist ideas onto an entire race.

If you want to disprove this then please name five benefits the "establishment" provides white people that it does not provide people of color.

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[AustinC]

ONLY someone living a life of ease can believe and say such things. You talk about privilege...that is some privileged opinion right there! The privilege of living it up! Come with me to the Middle East for a month. You think Israelis would survive without racial profiling? I'm Lebanese. If the Israelis did not practice racial profiling, Israel would be done in 3 months. It's not their fault: when mostly Arabs kill you, you check out mostly Arabs. That's on us! And when mostly Jews kill you too, you check out mostly Jews. Classroom idealisms are ever divorced from reality, and only the privileged who don't have to fear for their life or property can seriously entertain such ideas. I'm not even American, and it's clear to us outside the US that the privilege today belongs to the non-whites. It's the whites that get profiled and judged and discriminated against. And I'm not even a Japhethite.

Of course I am privileged. I am privileged by my skin color, by my location of existence and by my extended family support.

If God called me to the Middle East, I would seek to go where he called me. He has not called me to life outside of the community in which he has placed me.

I have no idea how Israelis would survive if they sought out justice for all. I know that Israel, as a government and for many of its people, is a godless nation. It trusts in godless solutions. If they repented do you think that God would not keep them as God has promised?

Dr Martin Luther King took the biblical truths of the Sermon on the Mount and applied them to tangible action. There is no reason why the principles in the Sermon on the Mount cannot succeed in the Middle East. Dr. King had to try navigate social landmines. For many years he was successful, until his assassination in Memphis. The outcome of his efforts were a tangible change in government. Was it as much as Dr. King wished for? No. But it was tangible change.
I can respect that you are in survival mode. I can respect that you cannot see past the problems of each new day. I can pray that God gives you an understanding of the Sermon on the Mount and you can begin to seek tangible action that will positively change your social constructs.

Change must happen and it will happen. The question is whether your voice will be involved in that change or whether you will allow your circumstances to change you.

George, my ancestors fled religious and political persecution. They came to the United States to experience freedom. They made a good choice for themselves. I am privileged because of their choices. I can either sit back and wallow in my privilege or I can seek equity and justice for all. I make no apologies for where God has placed me or for the responsibilities he gives me. You and I are not in a race to declare who has it worse off. God has you in your location so that you can be a light of the gospel of Christ in your environment. God has me in my location for the same purpose. What you experience will be entirely different than what I experience. Such is God's providence.

 

[church mouse guy]

If we all vote Democrat in the fall....

 

[George Antonios]

Of course I am privileged. I am privileged by my skin color, by my location of existence and by my extended family support.

If God called me to the Middle East, I would seek to go where he called me. He has not called me to life outside of the community in which he has placed me.

I have no idea how Israelis would survive if they sought out justice for all. I know that Israel, as a government and for many of its people, is a godless nation. It trusts in godless solutions. If they repented do you think that God would not keep them as God has promised?

Dr Martin Luther King took the biblical truths of the Sermon on the Mount and applied them to tangible action. There is no reason why the principles in the Sermon on the Mount cannot succeed in the Middle East. Dr. King had to try navigate social landmines. For many years he was successful, until his assassination in Memphis. The outcome of his efforts were a tangible change in government. Was it as much as Dr. King wished for? No. But it was tangible change.
I can respect that you are in survival mode. I can respect that you cannot see past the problems of each new day. I can pray that God gives you an understanding of the Sermon on the Mount and you can begin to seek tangible action that will positively change your social constructs.

Change must happen and it will happen. The question is whether your voice will be involved in that change or whether you will allow your circumstances to change you.

George, my ancestors fled religious and political persecution. They came to the United States to experience freedom. They made a good choice for themselves. I am privileged because of their choices. I can either sit back and wallow in my privilege or I can seek equity and justice for all. I make no apologies for where God has placed me or for the responsibilities he gives me. You and I are not in a race to declare who has it worse off. God has you in your location so that you can be a light of the gospel of Christ in your environment. God has me in my location for the same purpose. What you experience will be entirely different than what I experience. Such is God's providence.

Beautiful. And irrelevant to the point that was made.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Of course I am privileged. I am privileged by my skin color, by my location of existence and by my extended family support.

If God called me to the Middle East, I would seek to go where he called me. He has not called me to life outside of the community in which he has placed me.

I have no idea how Israelis would survive if they sought out justice for all. I know that Israel, as a government and for many of its people, is a godless nation. It trusts in godless solutions. If they repented do you think that God would not keep them as God has promised?

Dr Martin Luther King took the biblical truths of the Sermon on the Mount and applied them to tangible action. There is no reason why the principles in the Sermon on the Mount cannot succeed in the Middle East. Dr. King had to try navigate social landmines. For many years he was successful, until his assassination in Memphis. The outcome of his efforts were a tangible change in government. Was it as much as Dr. King wished for? No. But it was tangible change.
I can respect that you are in survival mode. I can respect that you cannot see past the problems of each new day. I can pray that God gives you an understanding of the Sermon on the Mount and you can begin to seek tangible action that will positively change your social constructs.

Change must happen and it will happen. The question is whether your voice will be involved in that change or whether you will allow your circumstances to change you.

George, my ancestors fled religious and political persecution. They came to the United States to experience freedom. They made a good choice for themselves. I am privileged because of their choices. I can either sit back and wallow in my privilege or I can seek equity and justice for all. I make no apologies for where God has placed me or for the responsibilities he gives me. You and I are not in a race to declare who has it worse off. God has you in your location so that you can be a light of the gospel of Christ in your environment. God has me in my location for the same purpose. What you experience will be entirely different than what I experience. Such is God's providence.

Talk about missing the point and twisting someone else's words, that was it in spades. The point is that your posts represent the mindset of someone far distant from the realities of life, like someone residing in a secluded affluent neighborhood surrounded by other elites. Are you a Vermonter?

 

[JonC]

Of course I am privileged. I am privileged by my skin color, by my location of existence and by my extended family support.

If God called me to the Middle East, I would seek to go where he called me. He has not called me to life outside of the community in which he has placed me.

I have no idea how Israelis would survive if they sought out justice for all. I know that Israel, as a government and for many of its people, is a godless nation. It trusts in godless solutions. If they repented do you think that God would not keep them as God has promised?

Dr Martin Luther King took the biblical truths of the Sermon on the Mount and applied them to tangible action. There is no reason why the principles in the Sermon on the Mount cannot succeed in the Middle East. Dr. King had to try navigate social landmines. For many years he was successful, until his assassination in Memphis. The outcome of his efforts were a tangible change in government. Was it as much as Dr. King wished for? No. But it was tangible change.
I can respect that you are in survival mode. I can respect that you cannot see past the problems of each new day. I can pray that God gives you an understanding of the Sermon on the Mount and you can begin to seek tangible action that will positively change your social constructs.

Change must happen and it will happen. The question is whether your voice will be involved in that change or whether you will allow your circumstances to change you.

George, my ancestors fled religious and political persecution. They came to the United States to experience freedom. They made a good choice for themselves. I am privileged because of their choices. I can either sit back and wallow in my privilege or I can seek equity and justice for all. I make no apologies for where God has placed me or for the responsibilities he gives me. You and I are not in a race to declare who has it worse off. God has you in your location so that you can be a light of the gospel of Christ in your environment. God has me in my location for the same purpose. What you experience will be entirely different than what I experience. Such is God's providence.

Have you ever considered that you may be projecting the racist idea that your race is a privilege onto other people? (You are projecting active racism onto an entire race of people by saying that they provide benefits to people based on their race).

What I mean is that you seem to be sure that you have benefited from your skin color (that you are privileged by your skin color). Ignoring anything this may say about how you view yourself, it seems to be a racist idea. Your claim is essentially that people in general give advantages to white people that they deprive others of different races.

At the same time, you offer no evidence. You say that the “establishment gives benefits to shite skinned people” (which would be systemic racism). But you cannot even name one benefit that is given to white people that is not given to other races.

I ask again – name a few of these benefits that white people are afforded by the “establishment” in our nation due to their race that others are deprived due to theirs.

Earlier I asked for five. Let’s start off with one.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

JonC, you don't have to consciously use your white privilege. You simply have it by virtue of being white. When you walk into a store, you don't have to worry that security is tracking you as a potential shoplifter. When you drive in a neighborhood, you don't have to worry about being pulled over because of your skin color. You simply get these privileges...and you should get these privileges...but so should all humans regardless of skin tone.

Ok, since civil rights succeeded in changing the laws of this country, there has been a big problem with giving everyone an equally effective public education. This has led to a two decade drama though to fix this. It still needs a lot of work, because I would never trust my future children in public education, and I'm white.

Apart from this, the only other so called systemic issue is the poverty of hardworking Americans stuck in bottom wrung jobs. This afflicts all races though. Here some whites may be priveliged due to having forebears with capital they bequethed to their children. This can add up over generations, but Appalachia shows you this is not true of all whites.

What we need is a systematic attempt to snuff dire poverty out of our society for those hardworking families of any race. That issue has gotten far too little air time though. Hopefully the day we talk alleviating poverty for hardworking Americans is coming soon.

 

[AustinC]

What is the name of this system? Who established it? Democrats? Why didn't Obama do something about it? Will voting Democrat fix it?

 

[AustinC]

Ok, since civil rights succeeded in changing the laws of this country, there has been a big problem with giving everyone an equally effective public education. This has led to a two decade drama though to fix this. It still needs a lot of work, because I would never trust my future children in public education, and I'm white.

Apart from this, the only other so called systemic issue is the poverty of hardworking Americans stuck in bottom wrung jobs. This afflicts all races though. Here some whites may be priveliged due to having forebears with capital they bequethed to their children. This can add up over generations, but Appalachia shows you this is not true of all whites.

What we need is a systematic attempt to snuff dire poverty out of our society for those hardworking families of any race. That issue has gotten far too little air time though. Hopefully the day we talk alleviating poverty for hardworking Americans is coming soon.

 

[church mouse guy]

Is that all you got?

 

[AustinC]

Is that all you got?

It is enough.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Amazing video. Highly informative. I do care about these issues. I disagree with the video's point that we just care.

Action is required and in pursuing action we must address social ills that while intended to hurt blacks, have hurt others in this country. I oppose reparations because money should not be taken from impoverished whites to help impoverished blacks.

Ultimately, prison reform such as championed by Prison Fellowship, equally effective schools, and a war on poverty in America are the things needed IMO. We should speak the truth of Jim Crow and racist policies as in this video, while aiming to do actual good by all people suffering.