Would you ever invite a person of color

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have a friend named Bill. He was also my Boss at my 1st job. I first spoke to Bill on the phone prior to the interview. Bill seemed intelligent, confident and eloquent. When we met I was surprised that he was black, guess I was a little bit taken aback. Bill had a firm hand shake, an easy smile and he put me at ease during the interview. Thru the years I was to learn that Bill long ago chose to be exceptional. He started flipping burgers at Macdonald’s, became the manager of the store, then managed the entire franchise and then decided on a career in sales. He started with a commission job selling vacuum cleaners door to door. Thru it all he rose to be the sales manager, then VP of Sales . All the while he pushed for continuous improvement... like taking speech lessions to improve his diction. I can go on but I think you get the drift... Bill chose his life, worked hard at everything and was a success in everything he put his mind to.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I have a friend named Bill. He was also my Boss at my 1st job. I first spoke to Bill on the phone prior to the interview. Bill seemed intelligent, confident and eloquent. When we met I was surprised that he was black, guess I was a little bit taken aback. Bill had a firm hand shake, an easy smile and he put me at ease during the interview. Thru the years I was to learn that Bill long ago chose to be exceptional. He started flipping burgers at Macdonald’s, became the manager of the store, then managed the entire franchise and then decided on a career in sales. He started with a commission job selling vacuum cleaners door to door. Thru it all he rose to be the sales manager, then VP of Sales . All the while he pushed for continuous improvement... like taking speech lessions to improve his diction. I can go on but I think you get the drift... Bill chose his life, worked hard at everything and was a success in everything he put his mind to.

Thankfully, America is mostly a meritocracy.

I think that Christians can lead on race relations by advocating for the suffering at the gates of the city, as it where.

Would you agree that prison reform such as championed by the ministry Prison Fellowship, equally effective schools, and a war on poverty for hardworking Americans are things you could sign onto?

I couldn't believe that was what far left political types like Don Lemon, Kamau Bell, and Van Jones were talking about as their main goals for blacks. I see this as a broader problem than just blacks though. I live in Orlando, and I know hardworking Wal-Mart employees of all races given info on food stamps in their hiring packages, because the pay is so low.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes and isn’t Walmart touted by trump as a fair wage employer?

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Yes and isn’t Walmart touted by trump as a fair wage employer?

Just looked it up, $11 starting and $14.26 for hourly on average at Wal-Mart. Pretty good money for here in Orlando, but only if you get Medicaid. Otherwise, I'm shocked. Much higher than I thought.

Walmart wages: What do Walmart managers and hourly workers make?

 

[atpollard]

... EVER is a strong word.
Generally, I would not invite the people of color that I know to post here. They are Pentecostals and would likely catch grief for their beliefs.

 

[church mouse guy]

Ok, since civil rights succeeded in changing the laws of this country, there has been a big problem with giving everyone an equally effective public education. This has led to a two decade drama though to fix this. It still needs a lot of work, because I would never trust my future children in public education, and I'm white.

Apart from this, the only other so called systemic issue is the poverty of hardworking Americans stuck in bottom wrung jobs. This afflicts all races though. Here some whites may be priveliged due to having forebears with capital they bequethed to their children. This can add up over generations, but Appalachia shows you this is not true of all whites.

What we need is a systematic attempt to snuff dire poverty out of our society for those hardworking families of any race. That issue has gotten far too little air time though. Hopefully the day we talk alleviating poverty for hardworking Americans is coming soon.

Public education went bad after WW II because teachers went John Dewey and watered down the curriculum. In the Democrat cities, education is a total mess. Rich people do not send their children to public schools.

As for low wages and low-paying jobs, this resulted from globalism sending jobs overseas and allowing illegal aliens to take jobs & push wages to the floor.

As for your systematic push against poverty, we have had government programs since 1932 and we have only gotten more poverty. What we have is too much government. And too much debt that you have not mentioned but must be repaid.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Ok, since civil rights succeeded in changing the laws of this country, there has been a big problem with giving everyone an equally effective public education. This has led to a two decade drama though to fix this. It still needs a lot of work, because I would never trust my future children in public education, and I'm white.

Apart from this, the only other so called systemic issue is the poverty of hardworking Americans stuck in bottom wrung jobs. This afflicts all races though. Here some whites may be priveliged due to having forebears with capital they bequethed to their children. This can add up over generations, but Appalachia shows you this is not true of all whites.

What we need is a systematic attempt to snuff dire poverty out of our society for those hardworking families of any race. That issue has gotten far too little air time though. Hopefully the day we talk alleviating poverty for hardworking Americans is coming soon.

What is the evidence that educational availability is the problem for one race? Blacks can get as good an education, if the local community encourages it. However, public school education has declined over several decades, but has fallen for all, as you indicated.

God, prayer, and decency are out, secularism and sex ed are in; discipline and merit are out, disrespect and "self-esteem" are in; the basics and proven methods are out, political multiculturalism and modern pet theories are in. Because of their favored status, blacks could dramatically improve this singelhandedly, at least for their own districts, but too many have instead foolishly chosen to side with the godless agenda of progressive leftist Dems to their own detriment.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Ok, since civil rights succeeded in changing the laws of this country, there has been a big problem with giving everyone an equally effective public education. This has led to a two decade drama though to fix this. It still needs a lot of work, because I would never trust my future children in public education, and I'm white.

Apart from this, the only other so called systemic issue is the poverty of hardworking Americans stuck in bottom wrung jobs. This afflicts all races though. Here some whites may be priveliged due to having forebears with capital they bequethed to their children. This can add up over generations, but Appalachia shows you this is not true of all whites.

What we need is a systematic attempt to snuff dire poverty out of our society for those hardworking families of any race. That issue has gotten far too little air time though. Hopefully the day we talk alleviating poverty for hardworking Americans is coming soon.

and another thing...

Even with a great system, kids don't take equally to academics, though some parents might be able to teach almost any child to excel through homeschooling. Still, college is not for everyone. Some will be much better off with a vocational path, so that Wal-Mart isn't their main option. A main problem is that many aren't taught to present well in an interview, or have the right attitude at work. Too many have the notion that the world owes them, while the world is full of foreigners itching to enjoy the many opportunities America affords. Also, bringing back manufacturing could have a very positive effect, if we don't keep allowing illegals to steal jobs hardworking Americans should be doing.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

and another thing...

Even with a great system, kids don't take equally to academics, though some parents might be able to teach almost any child to excel through homeschooling. Still, college is not for everyone. Some will be much better off with a vocational path, so that Wal-Mart isn't their main option. A main problem is that many aren't taught to present well in an interview, or have the right attitude at work. Too many have the notion that the world owes them, while the world is full of foreigners itching to enjoy the many opportunities America affords. Also, bringing back manufacturing could have a very positive effect, if we don't keep allowing illegals to steal jobs hardworking Americans should be doing.

Manufacturing job losses IIRC was a combination of robotics and outsourcing. COVID may help by showing a multi continent supply chain is crazy.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I'm a Populist, so I dont believe necessarily that the best government is a small one. That is a conservative and libertarian thing. I'm a stalwart social conservative though, while many libertarians oppose social conservativism. I also support a huge and powerful military that is well funded.

I think that if you work 40 hours a week at a competitive job in America, you should make a living that gets you above the poverty line. That likely could be done with government food benefits, medical benefits, and housing benefits for poor Americans. Of course, most homeless people I have met, who refuse work, would be excluded. I hate socialism, people need to work or they dont eat.

My idea would demand a return to 90s era taxation so that we have money for policy programs and run a surplus to pay off our debt. This always made sense to me, especially since we have had a wartime economy for over a decade.

The other way to accomplish my objective is the Living Wage idea. A minimum wage that always gets you out of poverty if you work full time.

As for schools. That is a total mess. School choice, bringing God and the bible back, completely redoing sex ed, character education, and credits for homeschoolers are my preferred ideas.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Manufacturing job losses IIRC was a combination of robotics and outsourcing. COVID may help by showing a multi continent supply chain is crazy.

Outsourcing is competitive mainly because countries getting the jobs do not provide the same employee and environmental protections required in the US, or have the same benefits and quality of living. It's almost as bad as allowing illegals in to work. We might as well allow slave labor as to allow the practice.

Also, a lot of goods have suffered in quality due to outsourcing, especially those made in Communist China. We should get out of Communist China instead of enriching such a devious enemy. COVID-19 should have taught us a lot of lessons, but I'm not hopeful we will learn them.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Outsourcing is competitive mainly because countries getting the jobs do not provide the same employee and environmental protections required in the US, or have the same benefits and quality of living. It's almost as bad as allowing illegals in to work. We might as well allow slave labor as to allow the practice.

Also, a lot of goods have suffered in quality due to outsourcing, especially those made in Communist China. We should get out of Communist China instead of enriching such a devious enemy. COVID-19 should have taught us a lot of lessons, but I'm not hopeful we will learn them.

Here I am a protectionist. If companies want to lay off entire industries to move jobs to workers working far below poverty line, write laws to stop them. Same goes for robots and AI, prioritize the good of your fellow Americans, if your bottom line finds it possible.

I have to be optimistic on learning from COVID. Seems to me, that if we fail to learn to forsake the gods the LORD is so obviously warring against. Then IMO our nation is almost beyond saving.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I'm a Populist, so I dont believe necessarily that the best government is a small one. That is a conservative and libertarian thing. I'm a stalwart social conservative though, while many libertarians oppose social conservativism. I also support a huge and powerful military that is well funded.

I think that if you work 40 hours a week at a competitive job in America, you should make a living that gets you above the poverty line. That likely could be done with government food benefits, medical benefits, and housing benefits for poor Americans. Of course, most homeless people I have met, who refuse work, would be excluded. I hate socialism, people need to work or they dont eat.

My idea would demand a return to 90s era taxation so that we have money for policy programs and run a surplus to pay off our debt. This always made sense to me, especially since we have had a wartime economy for over a decade.

The other way to accomplish my objective is the Living Wage idea. A minimum wage that always gets you out of poverty if you work full time.
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Government redistribution of wealth is a terrible idea. A guaranteed wage is contrary to competition and merit and will create an air of lazy entitlement rather than motivation toward productive excellence.

I suggest all socialist types instead use their brains, pool their resources, and create companies that they think provide better employment. That would be far better than stealing from others.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Here I am a protectionist. If companies want to lay off entire industries to move jobs to workers working far below poverty line, write laws to stop them. Same goes for robots and AI, prioritize the good of your fellow Americans, if your bottom line finds it possible.

I agree with putting America first, and that means protecting against foreign entities that are not playing on a level playing field. Countries that are known enemies should be treated as such.

I doubt AI and robotics pose a problem once the playing field is level, and Americans are preferred over foreigners. H1B visas are another way they are undermining citizen employment, and some of the worst offenders are those that push progressive leftist Dem politics.

 

[church mouse guy]

Manufacturing job losses IIRC was a combination of robotics and outsourcing. COVID may help by showing a multi continent supply chain is crazy.

There you go again--you leave out illegal aliens who lowered wages and pushed Americans out of jobs--especially blacks. Los Angeles has 50,000 homeless blacks. This is social tragedy brought on by globalism. Your own Disneyland in Orlando got foreigners to do their IT at lower wages, displacing Americans.

 

[church mouse guy]

I'm a Populist, so I dont believe necessarily that the best government is a small one. That is a conservative and libertarian thing. I'm a stalwart social conservative though, while many libertarians oppose social conservativism. I also support a huge and powerful military that is well funded.

I think that if you work 40 hours a week at a competitive job in America, you should make a living that gets you above the poverty line. That likely could be done with government food benefits, medical benefits, and housing benefits for poor Americans. Of course, most homeless people I have met, who refuse work, would be excluded. I hate socialism, people need to work or they dont eat.

My idea would demand a return to 90s era taxation so that we have money for policy programs and run a surplus to pay off our debt. This always made sense to me, especially since we have had a wartime economy for over a decade.

The other way to accomplish my objective is the Living Wage idea. A minimum wage that always gets you out of poverty if you work full time.

As for schools. That is a total mess. School choice, bringing God and the bible back, completely redoing sex ed, character education, and credits for homeschoolers are my preferred ideas.

Sex ed classes are a form of grooming by the teachers.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Six Hour Warning
This thread will be closed sometime after 6:45 AM Pacific.

 

[George Antonios]

The saddest part about all this is that most Christians are more concerned about the earthly social gospel (which is not a gospel and not our calling) than the heavenly spiritual gospel. Let's preach the gospel. A man getting born again is still the best way to help this world.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

There you go again--you leave out illegal aliens who lowered wages and pushed Americans out of jobs--especially blacks. Los Angeles has 50,000 homeless blacks. This is social tragedy brought on by globalism. Your own Disneyland in Orlando got foreigners to do their IT at lower wages, displacing Americans.

I hadn't known the illegal immigration problem was taking entry level jobs so much. What you say makes sense. So many industries are complaining of too few seasonal workers despite record unemployment.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

The saddest part about all this is that most Christians are more concerned about the earthly social gospel (which is not a gospel and not our calling) than the heavenly spiritual gospel. Let's preach the gospel. A man getting born again is still the best way to help this world.

I agree with you. But when we are repeatedly told the problem with America is one of mismatched opportunity and services, we naturally think "government program" in America. I would prefer we be charitable through the church than government. However, the poor state of many churches spiritually makes me dubious as to whether this would work.