Here are the places in this thread where you make reference to your denial of the Messiah. (you know, those promises made to Abraham)
Where in the New Testament, anywhere, does it command the believer to worship on the Sabbath Day?
DHK
In this statement, you dismiss the Old Testament. The OT that TELLS of the Messiah.
the Sabbath is a sign for the nation of Israel, for them only, for them and their generations forever, a sign between the Israelites and Jehovah, not anyone else. 3AM, you may be an SDA, but you are NOT a Jew; therefore the Sabbath is not for YOU!
I am a Jew. Here is one of your anti Semitic comments.
man was not to be a slave to the Sabbath
Oh, it’s mans now is it? I thought is was only for the Jews.
it calls into question the very foundation of your religion. This is not a game. It is serious business. If what Albert Barnes says here is true (and I believe it is), then you certainly do belong to a false religion. You need to think about that carefully. Your religion links the Sabbath with the mark of the beast. That is how important the Sabbath is to the SDA’s. I would encourage you to study what Barnes has to say carefully. “Examine yourself and see whether you are in the faith.”
DHK
Hmmmm feeling judgmental as usually? Albert Barnes dispels the VERY foundation of my Religion. So then you are admitting that this man is antichrist? Because JESUS is the VERY foundation of my Religion. We link SUNDAY with the mark of the beast, get it straight. The Sabbath is as important to us, as it is to GOD. HOLY. Let’s see, YUP, sure am. The faith delivered to the Apostles sure is a wonderful thing. You should try it sometime.
--Of all the commandments, this one specifically was given to the Israelites and no other.
More anti Semitism, where we find that ONLY Jews can be Sabbath breakers. What of the other 9? Are they the only one's not allowed to commit adultery? That is just NOT fair man!
--Very specifically does the Lord say that the Sabbath day was a sign between Jehovah and Israel, and no other people. It was their covenantal sign. If you want to keep the Sabbath why not be circumcised and keep all their dietary laws as well?
Well, first off, the circumcision wouldn’t really suit me, and I DO keep the dietary laws. Again with the anti Semitism. Only the JEWS had to obey. Poor little guys!
The Sabbath is a sign between Israel and Jehovah, throughout their generations forever. It has nothing to do with you or I. That is made very explicit in Exodus 31.
So, then the covenant, (the old one) between Israel and Jehovah is still in effect? Due to the fact (as you have stated) that this is FOREVER that they are in this covenant.
So, yes, it is right to conclude that the Sabbath is pre-cross based on that information. That is when God was dealing with the Jews--before the cross. Now Israel has been set on the shelf for a season.
A shelf huh? More anti Semitism. The Sabbath BLESSING, given to man, was God’s way of ‘dealing’ with the JEWS. This is so interesting.
Now God is calling a nation out for Himself.
Out of where? The blonde haired blue eyed people? From where, Ireland?
Now that nation, in remembrance of the resurrection of Jesus Christ normally meets on the first day of the week, but according to Romans 14 is not bound to.
So which nation would that be? I am so curious to know where these people are from.
In another country that I lived in we met every Friday instead of Sundays. I am still alive; the Lord didn't strike me dead for this apparent sin.
He didn’t strike you dead for your obstinance either, so does that make it ok?
The Sabbath was specifically given to the Jew as a sign between them and Jehovah--a covenantal sign. It was never given to the gentile or the Christian.
DHK
Anti Semitism rears it’s ugly head. Jews are made to suffer. According to you, they got this stinking Sabbath curse. The sign of their ‘covenant’. Which covenant would that be exactly?
Much of the time "Sabbath" is used in a negative way, or in a way that disproves your position, as in Col.2:16,17.
So now one verse is MUCH of the time? Look at the post I made regarding the statistical occurrences of the Sabbath as opposed to the references to the ‘first day’. You are wrong.
The Sabbath, Paul teaches, is simply a shadow, an image of the real thing which was to come, which is Christ. Now that Christ is come, the Sabbath is no longer necessary.
The Sabbath, is a shadow of the FUTURE Sabbaths in Heaven. The BODY is of Christ. HIS CHURCH. Not a day. Christ is not a day. The Sabbath goes on, with or without your approval, or observance. Thank God you aren’t in charge!
We don't need the Jewish holy days, circumcision, their ceremonial laws or the Sabbath. We have Christ. He is our Sabbath.
Again some more Anti Semitism, cloaked in your hatred for the Law of God. Christ is not a day. Let’s see how YOUR theology works here: “The Son of Man is Lord also of * DHK EDIT * ‘Jesus’. WOW. That makes NO sense. But then that is NOT what it says is it? “The Son of Man is LORD also of THE SABBATH. You doctrine makes no sense.
There is no command in the New Testament command for the believer to keep the Sabbath. The Old Testament Canon was finished 450 years before Christ was born. The book of Malachi has nothing to do with this. If you bring in the Old Testament be sure to bring in Exodus 31 which specifically says that the Sabbath is a sign between Israel and Jehovah and for their generations forever. It is not for the Gentile or the believer. It is for the nation of Israel. This chapter is conveniently ignored.
Let’s see, denial of the Messiah, contradictory statements of Malachi, sarcasm in regards to our use of the WHOLE Bible, some more anti Semitism, denial of the Law of God, some more sarcasm, and the RINGER: Your attempt to imply that we don’t like Exodus 31. I LOVE THAT CHAPTER! It tells me that I have REST!!!!! In a NEVER ENDING perpetual covenant!!!
The command to keep the Sabbath is repeated many times throughout the Old Testament, for it was a command given to the Jews. It is never given to the New Testament believers, so why should it be repeated in the New Testament. This is the very reason that it isn't. It is specifically for the Jews. Please read and study Exodus 31!
Sounds to me like you need to read it and study it. That ‘command’ given ‘to the Jews’, was made for MAN. He commanded them to keep it, because they were His chosen people. The one’s the MESSIAH would come through. The one’s who would be trusted with the Law, to pass it on to ALL their generations. Guess what? I am one of those descendents! Paul was a Jew AND He was a believer. That doesn’t fit with your theology.
The reason there is no command in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath is the command is for the Israelites.
Some more! God made the Sabbath for MAN. He celebrated the first Sabbath Rest with ADAM (man) and EVE (from man)! You are wrong.
He mentioned the first day of the week because of its importance to the believers. That's when they met together. These were not Jews. The church at Corinth was made up of people primarily of a Gentile or pagan background. The Sabbath would not have had much significance to them anyway.
Really? Why did the GENTILES ask Paul to come reason with them from the Scriptures ON the Sabbath? I guess they didn’t see THEN the significance of the ‘Sunday’ due to the fact that PAUL didn’t stop them. Why didn’t he say, ‘no, I’ll come back tomorrow, because the Sabbath is only for the JEWS’ ?
--The promise was to Abraham. God promised that He would make his name great, that he would be a blessing, that God would bless those that blessed Abraham, cursed those that cursed Abraham, and in Abraham all the families of the earth shall be blessed…….
No, I can’t say that God promised me any of those promises. That was a covenant made with Abraham, not me. I doubt if my name will ever be as well known or as great as Abraham’s was. But I still know Jesus as my Saviour. I don’t know what your hang-up is, but the promises made to Abraham are for Abraham, not for you.
Because of Abraham, and his faithfulness to God, we are blessed today. But God’s promise was to Abraham; not to you. And yes, I still have a Saviour!
So then the promise made to Abraham that THROUGH HIS SEED ALL the nations of the world will be blessed, isn’t for you? You have no Saviour. He is only for them. Don’t get mad at me, this is YOUR doctrine.
--He came to His own people (vs.11), but they rejected Him. But as many as received Him, (both Gentiles and Jews), they became the sons of God (Christians), those that believed on His name.
So, now you are letting the Jews in? If they are there, where is their Sabbath? Did they lose it? Is it suddenly of NO significance to them either?
Today He is calling out a nation unto Himself, not of Jews, not of SDA’s but of those who believe on His name.
And I suppose that what you mean by this is more of your obstinance and anti Semitism, and anti SDA theology that states that the Jews, and the SDA’s ARE NOT part of that nation.
Those who have believed on the sacrificial blood of Christ and have been saved by His grace through faith alone become part of the nation that He is calling out. We are not Jews, but Gentiles, saved Gentiles, but Gentiles nevertheless.
Now, Paul disagrees with you, and he gets his crazy ideas from God! THERE IS NOW NO DIFFERENCE…… sound familiar? ANTI SEMITISM. NOT JEWS<BUT GENTILES- SAVED GENTILES
I will carefully consider this. I have blue eyes. Did Jesus have blue eyes? I am fair skinned. Are Jews fair skinned? I have an Irish last name. Does that sound like a Jewish heritage? If my last name is Irish, what tribe would I be from?
Judah
Having now considered the above evidence, and the fact that I do not live in Israel, nor do I have any link to that country or desire to live there, I think that I can safely conclude that I am not a Jew.
Then you have no Saviour. He was promised to the Jews.
I am also not duped! Please don’t accuse me of that also.
Then stop acting like you are.
YOUR APOLOGY NEEDS TO START HERE!! To accuse someone of anti-Semitism on a public board as this is both unnecessary and slanderous. I am not anti-Semitic, and it is pretty cheap of you to accuse me of being so just because you disagree with my theology.
Actually, I disagree with your anti Semitism. I disagree with your dismissal of the Word of God. I disagree with your denial of the Heirship of Christians. I disagree with your blatant disregard for the Commandments of God.
I will not apologize for speaking the truth. If you don’t like being told that your statements are AGAINST Jews, then don’t make statements that are against Jews!
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
God’s people are still the same tree. Same roots, same branches, same nation. The nation God has called are JEWS. NOT Gentiles. The GENTILES are grafted into the JEWS, not the other way around.
NO DIFFERENCE. He is LORD over ALL. I am a Jew. Heir according to the promise given to Abrahams seed!
God Bless
