Joshua Rhodes
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"Move to the Moon" I believe is from the "The Robe" album by Wes King... which also boasts such Christian anthems as "I Believe", and "The Robe." Why don't you sink your bias into those songs?
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Would you give up your rock?
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DanielFive
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Artist : Rich Mullins
Song : Buenas Noches From Nacogdoches
"There is something I have found
In the hush of the quieting sounds
On the falling of dusk
And the chirping of crickets
And the slowing fading distance
Of this world that's spinning 'round
It's spinning upright and then upside down
And as the night bends to cover the day with her kisses
It's like a lover's benediction
That I'm sending to you now
If it can reach past the streets of this town
Then you might hear the voice of a heart that's been lifted
By the song the night has given
Buenas noches from Nacogdoches
From me and from every star God lit in the heart
Of the heavens that hang over Texas
May your dreams find you in a tangle of fine Spanish angels
Whose halos are bright yellow roses
Buenas noches
So this is no lullaby
That I send on the wings of this night
Wings that flutter as silent as goldenrods blooming
Bursting from bud into beauty
In a way I can't describe
In a way that's so changing my life
That the holds that once held me
Have all now been loosened
And I can hear the music
Buenas noches from Nacogdoches
From me and from every star God lit in the heart
Of the heavens that hang over Texas
May your dreams find you in a tangle of fine Spanish angels
Whose halos are bright yellow roses
Buenas noches"
Definitely very poetic lyrics but I just can't put my finger on what Scripture he's dealing with here.
Think I'll stick to hymns guys.
God Bless
Enda
Song : Buenas Noches From Nacogdoches
"There is something I have found
In the hush of the quieting sounds
On the falling of dusk
And the chirping of crickets
And the slowing fading distance
Of this world that's spinning 'round
It's spinning upright and then upside down
And as the night bends to cover the day with her kisses
It's like a lover's benediction
That I'm sending to you now
If it can reach past the streets of this town
Then you might hear the voice of a heart that's been lifted
By the song the night has given
Buenas noches from Nacogdoches
From me and from every star God lit in the heart
Of the heavens that hang over Texas
May your dreams find you in a tangle of fine Spanish angels
Whose halos are bright yellow roses
Buenas noches
So this is no lullaby
That I send on the wings of this night
Wings that flutter as silent as goldenrods blooming
Bursting from bud into beauty
In a way I can't describe
In a way that's so changing my life
That the holds that once held me
Have all now been loosened
And I can hear the music
Buenas noches from Nacogdoches
From me and from every star God lit in the heart
Of the heavens that hang over Texas
May your dreams find you in a tangle of fine Spanish angels
Whose halos are bright yellow roses
Buenas noches"
Definitely very poetic lyrics but I just can't put my finger on what Scripture he's dealing with here.
Think I'll stick to hymns guys.
God Bless
Enda
DanielFive
New Member
Hi Joshua,
Please don't take it so seriously, I'm bored and just having a bit of fun with you all. If you want a serious discussion go to the God Honouring Worship Thread.
God Bless
Enda
Please don't take it so seriously, I'm bored and just having a bit of fun with you all. If you want a serious discussion go to the God Honouring Worship Thread.
God Bless
Enda
No, you don't understand. It doesn't work unless he chooses songs that support his bias.
If he were to choose one of those songs or one like "By His Wounds", rather than one in 100 or so which don't deal with an explicitly Christian theme, he's have to admit that he's going on bias.
Joshua Rhodes
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Enda,
I really fail to see what you hope to gain by getting folks all "riled up". I think when you take these songs out of context, they can miscontrued into anything. But when taken IN context, the songs you've mentioned are part of a Christian idea. "Buenos Noches from Nacogdoches" is taken from a musical called "Canticle of the Plains", based on the life and ministry of St. Francis of Assisi.
I have become amazed at the ability of many on this board who have become judges of what is good and what is not. No one here is arguing the "stay"-ability of hymns because they've proven their strength over many years. When they were first written, however, I can imagine that many were not all to fired up about hymns rather than the chant that had prevailed in church music. Does that make them better now than they were then? No, but now we understand the message and look at these great hymns of faith through different eyes. Unfortunately, none of us will be around 400 years from now to see if "Awesome God", "Agnus Dei", and others will still be being used in worship and to exalt the Father. So the argument is really a moot point.
I really don't put Christian "Rock" over hymns, or hymns over the Christian music I listen to. I just find it odd that people judge methods that other Christians are using to share Christ. I mean, isn't God big enough to use what He wishes, and even more importantly, isn't God big enough to use even something as "horrible and evil" as Christian music to draw people closer to Him?
Just my humble opinion. Don't be so quick to judge. I'll use anything, anyone, and any kind of music to reach others for Christ, as long as He directs me to do so.
I really fail to see what you hope to gain by getting folks all "riled up". I think when you take these songs out of context, they can miscontrued into anything. But when taken IN context, the songs you've mentioned are part of a Christian idea. "Buenos Noches from Nacogdoches" is taken from a musical called "Canticle of the Plains", based on the life and ministry of St. Francis of Assisi.
I have become amazed at the ability of many on this board who have become judges of what is good and what is not. No one here is arguing the "stay"-ability of hymns because they've proven their strength over many years. When they were first written, however, I can imagine that many were not all to fired up about hymns rather than the chant that had prevailed in church music. Does that make them better now than they were then? No, but now we understand the message and look at these great hymns of faith through different eyes. Unfortunately, none of us will be around 400 years from now to see if "Awesome God", "Agnus Dei", and others will still be being used in worship and to exalt the Father. So the argument is really a moot point.
I really don't put Christian "Rock" over hymns, or hymns over the Christian music I listen to. I just find it odd that people judge methods that other Christians are using to share Christ. I mean, isn't God big enough to use what He wishes, and even more importantly, isn't God big enough to use even something as "horrible and evil" as Christian music to draw people closer to Him?
Just my humble opinion. Don't be so quick to judge. I'll use anything, anyone, and any kind of music to reach others for Christ, as long as He directs me to do so.
DanielFive
New Member
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DanielFive
New Member
Joshua,
Could you answer me a couple of quwestions.
What is more important....
Honouring God or winning souls with worldly music?
Doing things God's way or doing things your way?
I'll repeat, if anyone wants a serious discussion on this issue read the God Honouring Worship thread, then you will know why I say the things that I say.
God Bless
Enda
Could you answer me a couple of quwestions.
What is more important....
Honouring God or winning souls with worldly music?
Doing things God's way or doing things your way?
I'll repeat, if anyone wants a serious discussion on this issue read the God Honouring Worship thread, then you will know why I say the things that I say.
God Bless
Enda
Joshua Rhodes
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Enda,
I feel that I have sufficiently said what I feel. Please don't mistake my non-response for lack of conviction. Thanks.
I feel that I have sufficiently said what I feel. Please don't mistake my non-response for lack of conviction. Thanks.
DanielFive
New Member
Joshua says..
Remember, the Bible speaks of music 800 times. It never shows music being used as an evangelical tool.
Are you telling me that God is directing you to do something which is unscriptural, I think you need to start taking your directions FROM the Word of God. That way you'll know you are doing the Lord's will, not your own.
If I judge, I judge according to the Word of God, nothing else.
God Bless
Enda
Thats the problem Joshua, the Lord hasn't directed anyone to use music to reach the lost. Give place to the Word of God.
Remember, the Bible speaks of music 800 times. It never shows music being used as an evangelical tool.
Are you telling me that God is directing you to do something which is unscriptural, I think you need to start taking your directions FROM the Word of God. That way you'll know you are doing the Lord's will, not your own.
If I judge, I judge according to the Word of God, nothing else.
God Bless
Enda
That's Why We Don't Love God
Randy Stonehill
chorus
That's why, that's why we don't love God
Although our lips feign praise
Still our hearts are far away
That's why, that's why we don't love God
We're so consumed with self
We can't love anybody else
We mask the nakedness
Of our mortality
Cloaked in this poison pride
And the illusion of control
We need the gift of grace
More than the air we breath
But as it draws us near
Still it repels our stubborn souls
chorus
That's why, that's why we don't love God
Oh yes our lips feign praise
But our hearts are far away
That's why, that's why we don't love God
I don't want my prayers to be
Some meaningless litany
Why are we so afraid, guarded and counterfeit
Is it because we know all the shadows we conceal
And we are so alone
Wolves in the winter snow
Never imagining
That this mercy could be real
chorus
We say we need a little help
We need some new direction
Avoid the blessing like a curse
We're only lying to ourselves
What we need is resurrection
What we need is second birth
That's why, that's why we don't love
That's why, that's why we don't love
That's why, that's why we don't love
That's why, that's why we don't love God
STONEHILLIAN MUSIC/ASCAP
==================================================
BREATH OF GOD
O BREATH OF GOD
COME IN AND DWELL
PLEASE MAKE MY ACHING HEART
YOUR HOME AND USE ME WELL
FOR YOU CREATED ME
AND NAMED ME AS YOUR OWN
TO KNOW THE WONDER OF YOUR LOVE
AND MAKE IT KNOWN
O BREATH OF GOD
TEACH ME YOUR WAYS
THAT I MIGHT SERVE YOU IN THESE
PRECIOUS, FLEETING DAYS
NOW I AM SURE OF THIS
IF I'VE LEARNED NOTHING ELSE
UNTIL I LIVE FOR YOU
I DO NOT LIVE MYSELF
FATHER, FATHER
LIFT ME ON YOUR WINGS
SHOW ME WHY THE ANGELS SING
O BREATH OF GOD
I'M TIRED AND COLD
AND ALL THE DREAMS I'VE CHASED
HAVE LEFT ME FEELING OLD
BUT YOU'VE BEEN WAITING HERE
NOW I UNDERSTAND
PLEASE LET ME FALL INTO YOUR
LOVING, NAIL-SCARRED HANDS
Written by Randy Stonehill
© 1990 Stonehillian Music/Word Music
(a division of Word, Inc.) ASCAP
Randy Stonehill
chorus
That's why, that's why we don't love God
Although our lips feign praise
Still our hearts are far away
That's why, that's why we don't love God
We're so consumed with self
We can't love anybody else
We mask the nakedness
Of our mortality
Cloaked in this poison pride
And the illusion of control
We need the gift of grace
More than the air we breath
But as it draws us near
Still it repels our stubborn souls
chorus
That's why, that's why we don't love God
Oh yes our lips feign praise
But our hearts are far away
That's why, that's why we don't love God
I don't want my prayers to be
Some meaningless litany
Why are we so afraid, guarded and counterfeit
Is it because we know all the shadows we conceal
And we are so alone
Wolves in the winter snow
Never imagining
That this mercy could be real
chorus
We say we need a little help
We need some new direction
Avoid the blessing like a curse
We're only lying to ourselves
What we need is resurrection
What we need is second birth
That's why, that's why we don't love
That's why, that's why we don't love
That's why, that's why we don't love
That's why, that's why we don't love God
STONEHILLIAN MUSIC/ASCAP
==================================================
BREATH OF GOD
O BREATH OF GOD
COME IN AND DWELL
PLEASE MAKE MY ACHING HEART
YOUR HOME AND USE ME WELL
FOR YOU CREATED ME
AND NAMED ME AS YOUR OWN
TO KNOW THE WONDER OF YOUR LOVE
AND MAKE IT KNOWN
O BREATH OF GOD
TEACH ME YOUR WAYS
THAT I MIGHT SERVE YOU IN THESE
PRECIOUS, FLEETING DAYS
NOW I AM SURE OF THIS
IF I'VE LEARNED NOTHING ELSE
UNTIL I LIVE FOR YOU
I DO NOT LIVE MYSELF
FATHER, FATHER
LIFT ME ON YOUR WINGS
SHOW ME WHY THE ANGELS SING
O BREATH OF GOD
I'M TIRED AND COLD
AND ALL THE DREAMS I'VE CHASED
HAVE LEFT ME FEELING OLD
BUT YOU'VE BEEN WAITING HERE
NOW I UNDERSTAND
PLEASE LET ME FALL INTO YOUR
LOVING, NAIL-SCARRED HANDS
Written by Randy Stonehill
© 1990 Stonehillian Music/Word Music
(a division of Word, Inc.) ASCAP
JonathanDT
New Member
Joshua, don't waste your breath. Enda is a legalist. He believes what he believes, and a personal visit from Paul himself wouldn't change what he believes. I'm sure if he put his mind to it he could find ways to blast the Psalms for their lack of Biblical value. And ignore his "holier then though" act, he gets some sort of kick out of being spirtitually superior to everyone else.
Just repeatedly challenge him to back up his stuff with evidence and (relevent) Scripture, that's his achille's heal. Some friendly advice from someone who's been there,
`JD
Just repeatedly challenge him to back up his stuff with evidence and (relevent) Scripture, that's his achille's heal. Some friendly advice from someone who's been there,
`JD
I agree. That's one of the reasons why I quit responding to him altogether.
Ironic, isn't it?
If you have to spend that much time trying to convince people how spiritual you are, something's wrong.
The Bible says that they will know we are Christians by our love for one another. There's no love in his posts.
Best just to shake the dust off your feet and let him go along his way.
T
Travelsong
Guest
Enda I notice how you refused my challenge to present one piece of music without vocals that you consider inherently evil, yet all of your objections to the various artists you are quoting here are lyrical. Am I correct in assuming you lack the conviction to stand behind your assertion that music is not neutral? So far you've done nothing but bait and switch.
DanielFive
New Member
How nice to see the three amigo's back together.
And as usual not a verse of Scripture between them.
Jonathon, I notice when I posted scripture on the God Honoring Worship Thread you couldn't be bothered reading it. That says a lot.
Travelsong, Aaron has debated you repeatedly on this same issue, I wouldn't pretend to have the depth of knowledge that he has in this area. I've seen you lose one debate after another and have no desire to waste my time on this.
Mike, I'm still praying for you.
I suggest if anyone has any queries regarding this issue then visit Aaron's website.
God Bless
Enda
Luke 6:26
PS You are always asking for scripture, you seem to be doing a nice job of avoiding it on the other thread. Deal with it or don't bother asking again.
And as usual not a verse of Scripture between them.
Jonathon, I notice when I posted scripture on the God Honoring Worship Thread you couldn't be bothered reading it. That says a lot.
Travelsong, Aaron has debated you repeatedly on this same issue, I wouldn't pretend to have the depth of knowledge that he has in this area. I've seen you lose one debate after another and have no desire to waste my time on this.
Mike, I'm still praying for you.
I suggest if anyone has any queries regarding this issue then visit Aaron's website.
God Bless
Enda
Luke 6:26
PS You are always asking for scripture, you seem to be doing a nice job of avoiding it on the other thread. Deal with it or don't bother asking again.
T
Travelsong
Guest
The Bible is silent on the issue of musical styles. There is not one one shred Scriptural evidence to support the notion music can in and of itself be sinful.
If you make assertions that you are incapable of defending, you are indeed only pretending to have the depth of knowledge to support your claims. I didn't take you for one so shallow. I now know better.
DanielFive
New Member
Travelsong,
With respect, I won't be goaded into an argument here, you've read my original post, it provides you with an adequate description of where I stand on 'Rock music in the Church'.
I have nothing else I want to add to this.
You say you are clear on your position, well honestly, the travelsong I see on the open threads and the travelsong I see in my personal messages seem to be two different people.
You shouldn't be so concerned about disagreeing with Mike and Jonathon, I'm sure they wouldn't hold it against you if they knew your true position on music.
God Bless
Enda
With respect, I won't be goaded into an argument here, you've read my original post, it provides you with an adequate description of where I stand on 'Rock music in the Church'.
I have nothing else I want to add to this.
You say you are clear on your position, well honestly, the travelsong I see on the open threads and the travelsong I see in my personal messages seem to be two different people.
You shouldn't be so concerned about disagreeing with Mike and Jonathon, I'm sure they wouldn't hold it against you if they knew your true position on music.
God Bless
Enda
T
Travelsong
Guest
Yet you retain the right to initiate confrontation with the intent to goad others into an argument?
But aside from vague generalities (like 'being of the world' which is never explained)it doesn't address why you consider rock music (or any other form of music) to be sinful. Nor do you quote Scripture which supports your assertion that music is capable of being sinful.
Then refrain from passing judgement if you cannot support your judgements.
While I am certainly capable of providing evidence which shows you can in fact be an entirely different person in personal messages, you cannot show anything I've said to you in private which contradicts my arguments here.
I'm beginning to think you have serious psychological problems.
DanielFive
New Member
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Travelsong
Guest
yeah, ha ha