Would you give up your rock?

[DanielFive]

Scott,

I'm not attacking you, don't wet your diaper. I was just kidding. I'm sure you are very intelligent.

 

[DanielFive]

Travelsong,

Of course I have an opinion on this, why do you think I asked you if music can make you angry.

I think it can, however I do not have years of research in the field so in order to present a worthwhile argument I have provided evidence from a man who has. I have enough sense to know that you wouldn't give my opinion much credence, so why would I go to the bother of providing it?

No doubt you'll try to twist some of Dr Weinbergers ascertions and question his findings, this doesn't bother me at all. My only intention in this debate is to prove that a reasonable case can be made against you.

I think I've already achieved that.

Perhaps you will be able to come up with an expert opinion to support your views, if you do then fair enough. But let's have the humility to acknowledge that neither of us have the knowledge required to judge between two contrasting expert opinions.

I look forward to reading your post.

Enda

 

[DanielFive]

Scott/Travelsong,

Here's a website you might find interesting.

THEOMUSICOLOGY - Rock Theology

I've only had a quick look at the site so I'm not sure if it will be helpful in this discussion but I thought you both might be innterested in it.

God Bless

Enda

 

[Dr. Bob]

Wonder if this discussion is now too long to be helpful and beginning (again) to become personal.

Why not start a new thread on one of the aspects and we'll let this thread close down?

Will shut this one down at midnight Saturday. But it will be here for the good "links" that have been shared. Thanks.

 

[DanielFive]

I'll just squeeze in one more short article before Dr.Bob pulls the plug.

The Biology of Music. Vol. 354, The Economist, 02-12-2000.

"But perhaps the most intriguing study so far of the fundamental nature of music's effects on the emotions has been done by Dr Peretz. With the collaboration of Ms R, a woman who has suffered an unusual form of brain damage, she has shown that music's emotional and conscious effects are completely separate.

"Ms R sustained damage to both of her temporal lobes as a result of surgery undertaken to repair some of the blood vessels supplying her brain. While her speech and intellect remained unchanged after the accident, her ability to sing and to recognise once-familiar melodies disappeared. Remarkably, though, she claimed she could still enjoy music.


"In Ms R's case, the use of a PET scanner was impossible (her brain contains post-operative metallic clips, which would interfere with the equipment). Instead, Dr Peretz ran a test in which she compared her subject's emotional reactions to music with those of a control group of women whose temporal lobes were intact.


"As expected, Ms R failed to recognise any of the melodies played to her, however many times they were repeated. Nor could she consciously detect changes in pitch. But she could still feel emotion--a result confirmed by manipulating the pitch, the tempo and the major or minor nature of the key of the various pieces of music being played, and comparing her reactions to the altered tunes with those of the control group."
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Thats about all I have to say for now anyway.

Travelsong/Scott, you can pm me, I will give your response honest consideration.

God Bless

Enda

 

[Eric B]

Pretty interesting studies, but it still does not prove a traditional-only approach to Christian music. To those who favor contemporary, there is no reason to question Weingarten. Our senseshave been tuned to react to such stimili like that, but it does not prove that those emotions are always bad or sinful. Once again, people can use a piece to try to rile up a sinful manifestation of anger (escpecially according to the context of what is going on), but it still does not delineate certain styles as "good" or "bad".