Please post a quote of Van saying the above.So you think those that affirm gay theology, teach another way to heaven besides Jesus are Christians?
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Please post a quote of Van saying the above.So you think those that affirm gay theology, teach another way to heaven besides Jesus are Christians?
Yes, like no divorce without biblical cause? And "he who provides not for his own family is worse than an infidel?"As much as there are problems on this board at least my critics affirm the essentials of the faith.
Not just you, Van. There is a sticky in the "News And Current Events" forum that outlines the rule.Your first example is not allowed to be discussed, at least by me.
Not just you, Van. There is a sticky in the "News And Current Events" forum that outlines the rule.
Warning: No Threads Regarding Human Sexuality Are Allowed in This Open Public Forum
Thank you!!!Please post a quote of Van saying the above.
I apologize on behalf of the Admin Team. There are only 3 active Administrators at this time and we are spread pretty thin. We don't always catch the problems. Often times someone will report a post they believe violates the posting rules and we check the post and take action. But we often lack the time to read all the posts in the thread to see what may have triggered the offending post.I was bushwhacked before, someone asked a question and I answered it. Rather than rule against the one initiating the discussion, I was punished for responding. Sad
I apologize on behalf of the Admin Team. There are only 3 active Administrators at this time and we are spread pretty thin. We don't always catch the problems. Often times someone will report a post they believe violates the posting rules and we check the post and take action. But we often lack the time to read all the posts in the thread to see what may have triggered the offending post.
I think that his point, and which is very valid, is that there are some who teach the doctrines of the Church of Rome and the Sda and at times Charasmatic Chaos doctrines, and those are NOT of the scriptures, and that their churches actually promote another false Gospel!You are aware, we are to judge ourselves and not others? And yes, God can choose to cause people holding differing doctrine to be born anew. Recall how we are to treat the least of our siblings.
If a person, or group asserts biblical doctrine, that we believe is mistaken, we are to stand firm in the faith, and defend our views. But you did not address errant doctrine, and so your OP does not affirm the essentials of the faith.
I do not think that the Church of Rome/Sda/WoF teach at all the real Gospel message of the Cross, and while some are indeed saved in those groups due to the Grace of God and not due to their false theology, and those groups are I think the ones he is witnessing with!He is saying that the Bible tells us that we are not to judge the world but to exercise discernment within the church. We are not to use the Law to condemn the world but instead to go and disciple people (the verb in the Great Commission is "disciple").
And we are to walk in the Light, not joining ourselves with people whose behavior is contrary to Christ. We are to be a holy people, sanctified to God, husbands of one wife - loving her as Christ loves the Church, people of good reputation, etc.
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I am on this board and have started a flame with the Catholics and liberal progressives because I have claimed them not children of God. This board claims Christianity yet calls Catholics, Liberals, and probably many of the cults Christians.
As much as there are problems on this board at least my critics affirm the essentials of the faith.
Since your view is not actually in the Bible itself how is it any different?I do not think that the Church of Rome/Sda/WoF teach at all the real Gospel message of the Cross, and while some are indeed saved in those groups due to the Grace of God and not due to their false theology, and those groups are I think the ones he is witnessing with!
We can only answer that question based on our understanding of God's Word as revealed to us by the Holy Spirit.
Personally, it is my belief that one CANNOT be saved denying "essential" elements of the doctrine of salvation. BUT, what "are" the essential elements of salvation??? Inasmuch as I believe salvation comes about ONLY by faith in Jesus Christ's Gift, I say THAT is the only requirement for salvation. However, since I am not God and I will not be sending anyone to hell or to heaven, I have learned to say that the salvation of any one who believes "anything else" is certainly questionable. We can only witness according to God's word and we need to KNOW WHAT WE BELIEVE and WHY. Most Christians, I believe, only know that because of what someone told them.
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth".
I think you are terribly mistaken. I have done posts on the salvation of Roman Catholics and come away thinking that most on this board would not call Roman Catholics saved from the response. The views on this board vary greatly on that point, but a good number, such as myself, believe that if you mess up key doctrines you are probably not saved. The key question I still need to discuss is "what are key doctrines?"
So now you're the Judge?not!!!
I am on this board and have started a flame with the Catholics and liberal progressives because I have claimed them not children of God. This board claims Christianity yet calls Catholics, Liberals, and probably many of the cults Christians.
As much as there are problems on this board at least my critics affirm the essentials of the faith.
So now you're the Judge?
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Jesus told the rich young ruler he must sell everything he had and give it to the poor. This wasn't just about money. It was about making Christ the Lord of his life not money or power or POLITICS. I think you need to consider whether he's speaking to you. I find nothing about political allegiances being relevant to salvation in the Bible. Jesus accepted tax collectors, prostitutes, Roman Centurions (uho crucified lots of Christians). The greatest persecutor of Christians, Saul, became the greatest evangelist and supporter, Paul. What gives you the right to exclude "liberals." That is evidence of the effect the Republican Party has on you which overrides the effect of your faith.
IF you mean the PST view, then you would be sayiong that Calvin/Luther/ and basically all reformed and Calvinist Baptist got itall wrong, and Wright got it right!Since your view is not actually in the Bible itself how is it any different?
The reformers would all agree with you!Paul is clear:
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Galatians 1:8English Standard Version (ESV)
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Catholics believe in grace plus works saves (maybe) and purgatory is a non existent place.
That sounds like another gospel to me.