You can be saved without the Gospel???

[Alan Gross]

Unrepentadable



Well that’s nonsensical.


You’re running out of arguments so accusations are being thrown.


We’re spitting on Christ yet we’re telling you that salvation is by Christ alone.


Where do we find what Christ has done?


The Gospel.


How does one believe in the Gospel?


Because they’re already born again.

When were they already 'born again'?

 

[Alan Gross]

Since the elect hear the Gospel what happens to those that cannot comprehend it?



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Who is it that God can't Cause to Comprehend The Gospel?

 

[Alan Gross]

If I post a thread that says, "I don't want to Preach The Gospel",
no matter what The Bible Says,

is that any different than what this thread topic is?


"I am NOT going to Preach The Gospel,
because I DON'T WANT TO".

Is that all there is to it?

...
That makes up a whole religion full of people?

 

[agedman]

Who, on this thread, can post exactly what is mean by “gospel”?


Paul was a preacher of the “gospel” of Jesus Christ.

The Baptizer heralded the coming Messiah.

The preaching warning of judgment to come.

The work of ministering done by Christ.

Abdicating exuberance, zeal, forbearance, fortitude, obedience, and Worship of God, in Fulfilling His Command to Preach The Gospel, is the entire purpose, for this thread topic.

Christians are to Obey God, not their flesh.

It would be very good if what you posted was of that character.

It was not.

 

[agedman]

I agree in the sense that it has always been by grace through faith. But the paradigm did shift in the NT from the OT.

What changed?

Access was no longer through the temple temple, that vail has been destroyed.

Gentiles fully included in adoption (Romans 11,12...)

What did not change?

Salvation.

It has always been by and through the unmerited favor and provision of God.

 

[agedman]

Says the guy who didn't even read the argument.

I did read the link.

It adds no support to your question concerning children and intellectual ability.

Unless you can select something I missed.

Which might very certainly have occurred considering.

 

[agedman]

I was wondering.

Can anyone give the location were Paul was preached the “gospel” prior to his conversion, or it assumed he heard?

What about Cornelius?

Of course!!!

When one advances to understanding what that the word “gospel” encompasses, then they may account for some of the ways God used the “gospel.”

What is the gospel, and more how is it used in the Scriptures?

 

[PB Brother Tony]

If I post a thread that says, "I don't want to Preach The Gospel",
no matter what The Bible Says,

is that any different than what this thread topic is?












"I am NOT going to Preach The Gospel,
because I DON'T WANT TO".

Is that all there is to it?

...
That makes up a whole religion full of people?

Who said verbatim that they did not want to preach the Gospel?

 

[PB Brother Tony]

I gave you my reply already. I can't help it if you don't want to read.

No brother. I want to know your thoughts, not an article. What happens to infants and those that are mentally challenged?


Do they go to Heaven?


Yes or No?


Simple question.

 

[Reformed1689]

No brother. I want to know your thoughts, not an article. What happens to infants and those that are mentally challenged?


Do they go to Heaven?


Yes or No?


Simple question.

I've already given my answer.

 

[Alan Gross]

Who, on this thread, can post exactly what is mean by “gospel”?


Paul was a preacher of the “gospel” of Jesus Christ.

The Baptizer heralded the coming Messiah.

The preaching warning of judgment to come.

The work of ministering done by Christ.


It would be very good if what you posted was of that character.

It was not.

Church Discipline protects The Churches Jesus Built from Heresy.

And insubordination and flesh-filled carnal devience to Fullfill The Great Commission Given to her, would be cause for some intervension and admonision to repent of that Heresy, or bring it before the body for a vote, to be loosed from that fellowship.

Outside of The Kind of churches that Jesus Built, there are innumerable false churches and other non- Christian religions.

They all preach one thing.

Deny The Gospel.

The Gospel is one of the best kept secrets on Earth.

You, religiously, tell me I'm this and that, but you don't indicate that you are at all familiar with what The Gospel is.

 

[Reformed1689]

Can anyone give the location were Paul was preached the “gospel” prior to his conversion, or it assumed he heard?

Yep. Acts 4:17

What about Cornelius?

Acts 10:44

 

[Alan Gross]

Who said verbatim that they did not want to preach the Gospel?

PB are explained by The Docrine of Church Discipline.

 

[PB Brother Tony]

I've already given my answer.

You have not. According to you one must hear the Gospel which means that those that are not capable are ousted.

 

[PB Brother Tony]

Yep. Acts 4:17


Acts 10:44

Sorry but that doesn’t say that Paul was there verbatim. Nice try though.

 

[PB Brother Tony]

Yep. Acts 4:17


Acts 10:44

Tecarta Bible Acts 10:1-4 KJV
[1] There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, [2] A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. [3] He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. [4] And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.


Speaks of Cornelius as a born again man before the Gospel reached him do to his convictions that the natural man does not have.

 

[PB Brother Tony]

Yep. Acts 4:17


Acts 10:44

Let’s get back on subject!


Does a unregenerate man have godly conviction?

 

[Alan Gross]

Yep. Acts 4:17


Acts 10:44

The Gospel Message, Spirit-Enabled Conviction of sin, and Repentance and Faith, as Twin Doctrines, are implied in every instance of The Divine Salvation of God's Elect.

Jesus is The personal Savior, from personal sins, that Takes Place Under The Preaching of The Gospel, by The New Birth, or not at all.

 

[PB Brother Tony]

I never claimed it is with our help. Show me one time where I have claimed such. You will not find it. Another Strawman argument. You aren't biblical of any sort either. I suggest some Bible classes because you cherry pick verses to come up with this crazy theology of yours and blatantly ignore other parts of Scripture.

You lay claim that we MUST BELIEVE!!!!

Meaning that our believes help God save us!!!


A sovereign God does not need our believes.

 

[PB Brother Tony]

Does not the article state,

“We believe that Scripture does indeed teach that all persons who die in infancy are among the elect. This must not be based only in our hope that it is true, but in a careful reading of the Bible. ”​

So where is your warning headed?

Those that cannot back up their own beliefs have to quote others...