You cannot be pro-life and anti-refugee!

[Salty]

Our greatest need is to fight Islam and help bring people to Christ and end suffering in the US.

Christians fight hate with love. Fighting terror with terror simply breeds more terror. Love will drive out terror. Yes, it will be costly-love, but love wins. Christ did not call us to be safe, but to go into all the dangerous world telling of him, salvation and peaceful living.

All your long answer was simply a human answer, not a spiritual answer. [/QUOTE]

So are you saying we should disband the US military?

 

[Salty]

Sure. Some people confuse the pro-life label with simply being anti-abortion.

Being pro-life means you will be concerned and take action (if at all possible) to ease the plight of innocent lives, even if it might involve some personal risk. Christians are called to live lives of compassion, not safety.

You answer is off - OP! please re-read the OP.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Does your church provide ministry to those who are bank robbers, or would you turn them into the government authorities.

How would I know they were bank robbers? Did he/she tithe the money gotten in the robbery?

We have a young woman who was very active in our church several years ago. She was just released from a federal prison for impersonating a doctor. The church and church members have kept in touch with her during her incarnation. If she returns to our area she will be welcomed back into the church and helped as much as possible. Was she wrong in what she did? Yes!. Should she be cast out? No! "For all have sinned ............" She is loved within the church. What she did is not loved, but she as a person is. She is very intelligent, but used her intelligence in an unlawful way. While in prison she was very active and working with the warden and others helped bring about some changes for the good of the prisoners.

We, as Christians, are to love and help, not condemn!

 

[Crabtownboy]

So are you saying we should disband the US military?

Not at all. Not all Muslims are terrorists. The majority are not regardless of the widely believed myth. The military can be used for much good in helping people. War should be the very last thing done. War is the failure of diplomats.

But that is another topic. Christ called us to love, not hate, to help, not harm.

 

[Baptist Believer]

You answer is off - OP! please re-read the OP.

I don't understand how it is "off" at all.

I read and reread the OP. I assure you that one can't be pro-life and anti-refugee at the same time.

A refugee needs assistance and shelter. How can a child of God - much less a pro-life person - willingly turn away someone with critical needs?

 

[HankD]

How many here believe Mohammed was a true prophet?

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

"ISIS soldiers" as has been reported plan to use the refugee mass of people as a Trojan horse strategy to bring them into America.

They have already told us that.

These "soldiers" are self proclaimed soldiers of Jihad and precisely fit Jesus prophetic warning against these ravening wolves in sheep's clothing.

This is accomplished through a strategic doctrine called al taqiyya which is used to deceive the infidels, to gain their trust in order to use ambush tactics, take them by surprise and slaughter them.

We need time to develop a way to unmask these murderers for what they are.

So yes I am taking Jesus advice and temporarily anti refugee until we eliminate these wolves with their deception and murder for the protection not only of our nation but for peace loving Muslims whom ISIS also slaughters, rapes and pillages.

IMO these stealth "soldiers" already here (and yet to come) are simply waiting for the order to fall to kill the infidels as they are doing big time around the world.

Their last barrier : America with the second amendment, 200 million privately owned firearms, 23 million veterans, reserve and state militia personnel, several Law Enforcement agencies (Municipal, state and federal) all of the above having been under attack or diminished.

If the ISIS wolves will not receive the grace of God then it will be an eye for an eye in providing protection for my family (as a father, grandfather) and country (as a veteran).

"OH that's not Christian"!

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

HankD

 

[Revmitchell]

"You cannot be pro-life and anti-refugee!"

This is a signature for one of our BB members.

Do you agree with this statement?

Open for discussion

Who in the world is anti-refugee? I suspect the intent of such a statement is to misrepresent the current issue with the refugee vetting. No one, absolutely no one is anti-refugee including Trump

 

[Revmitchell]

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Being pro-life means you will be concerned and take action (if at all possible) to ease the plight of innocent lives, even if it might involve some personal risk.

How many refugees do you allow to stay in your home?

 

[Revmitchell]

Do you provide ministry to those who are in the country illegally as representatives of the Kingdom of God, or do you act as agents of the US government?

How did Paul deal with Onesimus?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Have you heard of a group named ISIS? Yes they blending in with the refuges. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees
And we are vetting them out.

You say that like whites hate children.

No, you are reading things into it. Whites tend to have much smaller families. Why? Most of the time it is a voluntary choice.

Population cannot keep growing like it is, soon it will spiral out of control. We practice and hold traits that position our off spring for the most success, I am sure whites do the same thing. I am black btw, and think you at way off base.

I am white, FWIW, and the practices are deep within my Protestant culture. We are very heavy on birth control and abortion, and not much on God's command to be fruitful and multiply.

The worries about overpopulation are way overblown. The issues of famine and disease are largely matters of distribution and political disturbances and manipulation that seek to control people.

If a culture chooses to live a certain way they should not have immigration forced upon them that soon overwhelms their culture.

American culture IS an immigrant culture. Some of our ancestors were forced here as slaves and a few exiled as prisoners, but most came here quite willingly.

Also I am a minority in the US, but the Tongos are not a minority in their country in Africa.

As a white person, I am a minority in Texas. I'm okay with that. I don't have to be the minority ethnicity. The comment about the Tongos in Africa doesn't make sense to me unless you are making the argument that people should not immigrate at all.

Stop with the Muslims are minorities as they are not.

In the US, Muslims are definitely minorities. I don't understand your complaint.

What the heck are you talking about? White people white people white people is all you say. You are clearly white and so full of guilt I feel sorry for you.

I'm not full of guilt at all. I don't judge whole groups of people by what a few people do. You made an assertion that "we are the light" compared to the darkness of Islam. You sounded like a white racist, so I pointed out that white people have definitely NOT been "the light" that you claim.

If you intended to point out that Christians are "the light" as opposed to the darkness of Islam, the whole thing about two world wars and enslaving people across the world holds true for nations and populations that claimed to be Christian.

How do you think you, as a Christian, will be treated in a Muslim majority country?

It depends who you are dealing with. With many Muslims you will be respected. With some, you will be persecuted and even murdered. I know quite a few Christians doing Christian ministry in Muslim countries, so I have heard direct accounts of their interactions with the Muslim populations and also stories of them running for their lives when certain Muslim thugs (not especially religious ones, BTW) want to harm "foreigners." Religion is often a convenient excuse for violence.

But where are you going when we have let the whole world go Muslim in 25-30years.

IT WON'T. The Kingdom of God is growing and will eventually overcome all earthy kingdoms (religious and political).

Europe has already hit the tipping point and in reality there is no coming back. In France and Germany Christian are now scared to attend church because of open Muslim attacks.

Real Christians who are followers of Jesus are not cowards. Also, worship does not have to take place in a church building. Your response is full of fear and not faith or trust in Jesus.

So why bring them here?

Why help your neighbor? Jesus said to do it. In fact, the scriptures are full of calls to help the refugee.

Why bring a false religion here? People who openly deify Gods teachings.

Our nation is full of false religions, including the national civil religion version of "Christianity" that ignores the teachings of Jesus and promotes simply citizenship and "America first" patriotism.

What are the alternatives to those who hold to a false religion? Should we kill them? Should we avoid helping them escape those who would want to kill them?

What would Jesus do?

White people white people white people. Man you are guilty! Have you been to Africa my friend? Have you been to the middle east? China? I am certain we were attacked by Asians in WW2. You are so full of crap. Who sold my people? My people sold my people and slavery still exists to this day. In India, and certainly African and the Middle East. Stop it. More salves went to the Muslim nations and dies then any other place in the world. So there you go.

You simply describe the fallen human condition. There is no ethnicity that does good - all must come to Christ to be redeemed. Therefore, there is no cause to treat one group as better or worse than another.

Our greatest need is to fight Islam...

Jesus has not called us to fight Islam. He has called us to make disciples and immerse people in the immediate reality of the Father, Son and Spirit (aka the Kingdom of God), teaching them to observe everything that Jesus taught.

...and help bring people to Christ...

It's hard to bring people to Christ if we are ignoring His teachings.

...and end suffering in the US.

We are called to ease suffering EVERYWHERE, not just the US.

One of the ways you can tell if you are being led my Jesus is that you will also have concern for those who are not like you at all - even people you radically disagree with.

 

[Revmitchell]

And we are vetting them out.

No their not.

 

[Salty]

How would I know they were bank robbers? Did he/she tithe the money gotten in the robbery?

We have a young woman who was very active in our church several years ago. She was just released from a federal prison for impersonating a doctor. The church and church members have kept in touch with her during her incarnation. If she returns to our area she will be welcomed back into the church and helped as much as possible. Was she wrong in what she did? Yes!. Should she be cast out? No! "For all have sinned ............" She is loved within the church. What she did is not loved, but she as a person is. She is very intelligent, but used her intelligence in an unlawful way. While in prison she was very active and working with the warden and others helped bring about some changes for the good of the prisoners.

We, as Christians, are to love and help, not condemn!

Your example is about someone who was convicted and served her sentence. It is NOT the same thing.

Now, if a bank robber came to a pastor and said he had just robbed a bank - and since that church was a sanctuary for undocumented immigrants - would the church also be a sanactuary for a person who made an undocumented bank withdrawal?

 

[Baptist Believer]

How many refugees do you allow to stay in your home?

My mother and her family were refugees, so I grew up in a refugee home. I would also be happy to host people for a short time until we can get them independent.

If there is a local need, we will take care of it. I am involved with homeless ministry and feeding sheltering those who have needs locally.

My church used to sponsor an Arabic language mission and ministry to Muslims here in the US - many of them refugees - and they met in our building until we were able to help them get their own facilities. Many of them were from Syria.

Our church and several friends outside of my immediate church life do Christian ministry in one of those seven countries - including working among the refugees. They tell me that the situation is completely different than the way the right-wing media outlets portray things to be. I trust their first-hand testimony over something written on the internet.

I realize that your question was supposed to unmask me as a hypocrite, but sorry, that's not going to work.

 

[Baptist Believer]

How did Paul deal with Onesimus?

Paul was an advocate for Onesimus to Philemon. He pleaded for his release.

 

[HankD]

I don't understand how it is "off" at all.

I read and reread the OP. I assure you that one can't be pro-life and anti-refugee at the same time.

A refugee needs assistance and shelter. How can a child of God - much less a pro-life person - willingly turn away someone with critical needs?

We don't need to turn them away. we can provide funding, food, clothing and shelter in safe places in other cooperative Muslim countries.

Why bring them here when they can be housed and cared for in environments which are the same or similar to their own culture and religion. Saudi Arabia has an EMPTY modernized tent city which will house approximately 3 million people. We could provide the funding, food, clothing, medicine.

France has called upon it citizenry to take refugees into their homes.
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/08/france-citzens-host-refugees/495509/

Here is a question (it need not be answered publicly).
To members of the BB will any of you volunteer to have a Syrian family housed in your domicile?
If they are Muslim, will you accommodate their religious, dietary, clothing and medical needs?
How about complying with Sharia/Muslim law as to not offend them (e.g. prayer 5 times a day)?
Drive them to the mosque, respect their holy days.
How long will you accommodate them. The expectation is for a minimum of 3 months but actually
can be for an indefinite amount of time.

Just curious, think about the implications. The ones above are only a few.

So you see why a safe place in the Muslim world funded by America is a better option FOR EVERONE including the refugees.

HankD

 

[Revmitchell]

My mother and her family were refugees, so I grew up in a refugee home. I would also be happy to host people for a short time until we can get them independent.

If there is a local need, we will take care of it. I am involved with homeless ministry and feeding sheltering those who have needs locally.

My church used to sponsor an Arabic language mission and ministry to Muslims here in the US - many of them refugees - and they met in our building until we were able to help them get their own facilities. Many of them were from Syria.

Our church and several friends outside of my immediate church life do Christian ministry in one of those seven countries - including working among the refugees. They tell me that the situation is completely different than the way the right-wing media outlets portray things to be. I trust their first-hand testimony over something written on the internet.

I realize that your question was supposed to unmask me as a hypocrite, but sorry, that's not going to work.

Yea how much at risk were you by having those refugees in your home? Did they come from a third world war torn country where their backgrounds cannot be verified, or had they been properly vetted?

 

[Revmitchell]

Paul was an advocate for Onesimus to Philemon. He pleaded for his release.

He also ministered to Onesimus and then told him to go back and make it right. He did not just say ok well you can ignore your obligation and the law because now you are a Christian which is what the average Christian who supports illegal aliens does either by design or in effect.

 

[annsni]

Why does "pro-refugee" = "bring them out of their own culture and bring them half way around the world into an entirely new culture"?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yea how much at risk were you by having those refugees in your home? Did they come from a third world war torn country where their backgrounds cannot be verified, or had they been properly vetted?

I don't know about risk and I did not consider risk. But, yes to your question. They were in need and I could help.

 

[Baptist Believer]

No their not.

Yea how much at risk were you by having those refugees in your home?

All real ministry involves risk. I don't remember Jesus telling his disciples to prioritize safety over doing the right thing.

Did they come from a third world war torn country where their backgrounds cannot be verified, or had they been properly vetted?

Refugees often come from war torn counties where records are destroyed and vetting cannot be done through official channels.

That was my mother and her family's experience. She was issued an "Ex-Enemy Identification Card," but they had little information on the family. (They were never really enemies, but that was a problem logical designation.) They went through a vetting process.