convicted1
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The question is 'is faith a work'?
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savedbymercy
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See Op and post 76 !
convicted1
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I saw post #76 and you're wrong...faith is a fruit of the Spirit and not a work that man does...God gives us faith, we don't work faith out...
savedbymercy
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Now you are being deceptive, where did I say that Faith was not a fruit of the Spirit ? Show me the quote where I specifically said in post 76:
Now you are being deceptive, where did I say that Faith was not a fruit of the Spirit ? Show me the quote where I specifically said in post 76:
plain_n_simple
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Are you basing that faith is a work solely on Matt 23:23?
savedbymercy
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Thats enough ! See post 76 for even more ! Now are you going to address the points made or continue evasion !
plain_n_simple
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Okay, calm down. You might need a nap.
savedbymercy
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Do you deny that Faith/Beliving is an act man does ?
Do you deny that Faith/Beliving is an act man does ?
plain_n_simple
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Okay, so if believing and faith are works, you negate everything Jesus said to gain salvation.
savedbymercy
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Jesus is the one teaching that Faith is a work of the Law, See Matt 23:23 ! So you have to show me a contradiction. Do you have a scripture where Jesus says that Faith is not a work of the Law that ought to be done ?
Okay, I pointed this out before, but I guess I need to point it out again:
Luke 1142 But woe unto you, Pharisees!
Matt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Luke 11:42 for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs,
Matt 23:23 for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin
Luke 11:42 and pass over judgment and the love of God:
Matt 23:23 and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith:
Luke 11:42 these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matt 23:23 these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Is loving God a work?
Luke 1142 But woe unto you, Pharisees!
Matt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
Luke 11:42 for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs,
Matt 23:23 for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin
Luke 11:42 and pass over judgment and the love of God:
Matt 23:23 and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith:
Luke 11:42 these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matt 23:23 these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Is loving God a work?
PreachTony
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Several of us have pointed out contradiction to your stated point, savedbymercy. You've flat out refused to even consider our points. You even changed the wording of the scripture to make it fit your ideal, claiming that "weightier matter = work."
I've even asked you if the written words of Jesus in the Bible carry more weight than the written words of the apostles, seeing as both are contained in the Word of God, and we are told that all scripture is divinely inspired and profitable. I don't recall seeing an answer from you.
savedbymercy
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None of you have pointed out a contradiction. Not one of you can provide a scripture that says that Faith is not a Work of the Law, whereas I have provided one that does Matt 23:23 !
plain_n_simple
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You are lumping together "weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith" as works. It is "weightier matters" or "more serious issues" of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith. It should be read as:
weightier matters of the law
weightier matters of judgement
weightier matters of mercy
weightier matters of faith
weightier matters of the law
weightier matters of judgement
weightier matters of mercy
weightier matters of faith
Is loving God a work? Answer this, and it will lead to whether there's a contradiction or not.
savedbymercy
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Faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law that ought to have been done ! You can't get around it !
plain_n_simple
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So you are saying judgment, mercy and faith are all weightier matters of the law?
PreachTony
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You have framed the argument so that you are asking those standing against you in this thread to oppose a Bible verse, but you are the one taking the verse out of context. Note this:
Those two verses tell us the God counts our FAITH for righteousness, even when we don't have WORKS. How, then, can faith be a work when the Bible right there says it is not? How can faith be a work when the Bible says "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast"(Ephesians 2:8-9)?Romans 4:5-6 said:
Good grief, I can't believe we're still going over this...
savedbymercy
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That scripture does not say that Faith is not a work ! Faith is a work of the Law that ought to be done ! Matt 23:23 !
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