Young white men

[Winman]

So what's your insidious insinuation Winman, that today's resurgence of Sovereign Grace Theology is summed up in this Mars Hill 'church' from the 'Left Coast'? Just how many far left whacko 'churches' of the Arminian persuasion do you think there have been in the past? Far, far, more than in the Calvinist camp, I guarantee you.

Sometimes your tactics are downright sickening Winman.

This article addressed the OP. I did not add one comment of my own. The OP asked about an article he had read that said most new Calvinist's are young white men. This article addresses that very topic.

 

[rsr]

Please stay on topic and try to keep the discussion from degenerating further into trading snide barbs.

Thank you.

 

[Aaron]

So...what do we supposedly all think secretly of black people???

Isn't it obvious? Calvinism appeals to the elitist, someone who can't find validation any other way than to think that God has favored him above all others. The link to racism here is self-evident, and we all know that only a white man can be a racist.

Therefore, Calvinists are racist, elitist prigs, and the fact that they're mostly white proves it.

 

[SaggyWoman]

and we all know that only a white man can be a racist.

I don't think so. Everyone of all races can be racist.

 

[canadyjd]

Isn't it obvious? Calvinism appeals to the elitist, someone who can't find validation any other way than to think that God has favored him above all others. The link to racism here is self-evident, and we all know that only a white man can be a racist.

Therefore, Calvinists are racist, elitist prigs, and the fact that they're mostly white proves it.

Wow, I hope you are attempting to be sarcastic.

peace to youraying:

 

[Aaron]

Wow. You mean it wasn't obvious? Of course I was being sarcastic!

 

[Jerome]

Xavier Pickett has addressed this phenomenon at the Reformed Blacks of America blog:

I decided to take the train up with friends to New York to hear Dr. Tim Keller, pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church. Dr. Keller has been making tremendous inroads in NY, especially among Gen-Xers and Gen-Yers with 4 different worships services across the city.

there were not too many Black (non-African) people in the congregation from my observations.

my main point is that churches like Redeemer, Keller's church mainly appeals to the young white yuppie with some postmodern tendencies. And that is fine.

let me say this again just in case there is still any misunderstanding. I like Tim Keller and the work he is doing in NY. He is one of my favorite preachers believe it or not. I am just making a few observations for what its worth.

Redeemer’s leader and senior minister, Tim Keller, he has made several public claims about the constitution of his church. In his book, The Reason for God, Keller says, “we launched Redeemer Presbyterian Church and by the end of 2007 it had grown to more than 5,000 attendees….The church is quite multiethnic and young” (xiv). On national television, he even explains that the success of Redeemer is in part, due to its multiethnic constituency. While I do not question whether Keller actually believes such, I do question the veracity of such claims.

the leadership does not nearly reflect the Asian demographics of Redeemer. In fact, I am only aware of one Asian on the session – Redeemer’s governing body – and two who are Teaching Elders, that is, part of the pastoral staff that reports to the session in a PCA church. Interestingly, Redeemer has already been made aware of this problem. Some of its Asian members have sent a letter to the session in order to address race issues that affect many of its Asian members. The letter strongly encouraged Redeemer to act concretely in several outlined ways to rectify this gospel issue, partly because there is a fear that gifted Asian members are being overlooked for leadership positions.

More specifically, Redeemer has recently fired a black pastor, Mark Robinson. This in itself may not cause alarm. Pastors get fired all the time for various and sundry reasons related to character and competency. But why did Redeemer fire him? Embezzlement? Moral scandal? Lack of competence? Some persistent character deficiency pointed out in an evaluation? No. None of these. He was fired for lacking ‘fit’.

It appears that Tim Keller’s gospel thinking far exceeds his capacity to carry it out in the structure of Redeemer’s leadership. Somehow, gospel thinking in the heart is not leading to gospel practice in the church community

 

[pinoybaptist]

I'm sure it will confirm what we all secretly think of black people.

This is totally left field, man, totally left field.
I mean by that this remark is uncalled for.
(ps- but then I haven't read that thing about being sarcastic till after this post)

 

[canadyjd]

Wow. You mean it wasn't obvious? Of course I was being sarcastic!

How about throwing in some rolling eyes or something to give us non-mind reading folks a clue?:laugh:

The :laugh: means I'm trying to make a joke.

peace to youraying:

 

[Johnv]

Isn't it obvious? Calvinism appeals to the elitist, someone who can't find validation any other way than to think that God has favored him above all others. The link to racism here is self-evident, and we all know that only a white man can be a racist.

Therefore, Calvinists are racist, elitist prigs, and the fact that they're mostly white proves it.

As sarcastic as you were bring, it does dispel a myth. According to the US Census Bureau, 75% of the US population is white. To see a majority of whites in any demographic statistic, such as religious preference, would be expected.

 

[Jerome]

And in fact, just 64% of U.S. Baptists are White.
Contrast Presbyterians: 91% [?!]

American Religious Identification Survey

 

[Skandelon]

And in fact, just 64% of U.S. Baptists are White.
Contrast Presbyterians: 91% [?!]

American Religious Identification Survey

So, what do you all suppose it is about white men that would make them more inclined to be of the "reformed" persuasion?

Are they smarter, more intelligent or better educated? If so, doesn't that seem to contradict the idea of God using the foolish to shame the wise? :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Aaron]

If I mention a black church, what kind of service comes to your mind?