Your View On Women As Pastors

[webdog]

Anyone who pastors knows that it is not unusual in our day for a woman to know their Bible better than their husband.

...and? There is no prohibition against women knowing Scripture, just serving as elders.

 

[Johnv]

Anyone who pastors knows that it is not unusual in our day for a woman to know their Bible better than their husband.

Whether true or not, that fact does not support the idea that women should be pastors, nor is it an admonition thereof.

If a woman cannot have authority over a man, nor even teach a man it is obvious that she cannot pastor.

Again, to apply that verse without benefit of context, women cannot also therefore be teachers in elementary schools, college professors, police officers, judges, or elected officials.

 

[DHK]

Then Paul was a heretic and Jesus a loser.

Neither Paul or Jesus were pastors.
Paul was a missionary, one who planted churches, and then ordained others to pastor them.
Christ was the son of God.

 

[Revmitchell]

Please dispense with the personal accusations filled with undue emotion.

No emotion just facts. Your language and accusation was unfounded and inflammatory.

I love America, went to college there, and have sent all my children there for there post-secondary education. You have no idea of what I think of America, so stop right there with the false innuendo and accusations.

You posts indicate otherwise.

Realize what "ethnocentrism" is. It is something that is natural and common to every man all around the world. A man born and raised in India will believe that his country is better than yours just because he is an Indian. His patriotism to his own country will blind him to the worth of other nations. That is true for the nation of Israel, Iraq, America, etc. Wherever you go people think that their country is best because they were born and raised there. It is called ethnocentrism.

Not relevant

That is what was coming out in John's answer. There are many countries, to this day that have a very similar culture to the time of Jesus. Does that make their culture wrong and American culture right? Of course not. Does the fact that American culture has differed so much from Biblical times void the principles being taught in the Bible? No, it does not, and that is the excuse John is using to justify women as pastors. Culture has nothing to do with this. The principles taught in the Bible are true and timeless without respect to culture.

You do not know this was anyone's motivation. He never said it was and it is not the only option. But it is telling of your emotion and prejudice.

 

[DHK]

You do not know this was anyone's motivation. He never said it was and it is not the only option. But it is telling of your emotion and prejudice.

I have no prejudice against America. Dispense with the false charges.
If I was prejudiced against Americans, why would I have married one? :tonofbricks:

 

[FlyForFun]

I have no prejudice against America. Dispense with the false charges.
If I was prejudiced against Americans, why would I have married one? :tonofbricks:

Maybe your part of a Canadian plot to take us over -- one at a time.

:wavey:

 

[go2church]

In the not to distant future we will look back on the widespread prohibition against woman pastors in much the same way we now look back on slavery - what in the world were we thinking

 

[FlyForFun]

In the not to distant future we will look back on the widespread prohibition against woman pastors in much the same way we now look back on slavery - what in the world were we thinking

Oh please...

What's next, a Hitler reference?

There is NO comparison: antebellum slavery considered humans of one race sub-human property, with all the attendant ills such thinking implies.

Choosing to stick to a close reading of the pastoral Epistles squares with reality -- Women are fine with male leadership, while many men are not fine with female leadership, and leave (and have left) the Church in droves as it becomes increasingly feminized.

 

[go2church]

Oh please...

What's next, a Hitler reference?

There is NO comparison: antebellum slavery considered humans of one race sub-human property, with all the attendant ills such thinking implies.

Choosing to stick to a close reading of the pastoral Epistles squares with reality -- Women are fine with male leadership, while many men are not fine with female leadership, and leave (and have left) the Church in droves as it becomes increasingly feminized.

Yes, as a matter of fact there is. For centuries scripture was used to justify slavery as is being done with keeping woman out of the pulpit based solely on their gender. We look back and in amazement and at times embarrassment that such things were taught from pulpits. Which I think will be the same reaction concerning women serving as pastors.

Your very wide sweeping statement that men are not fine with female leadership smacks more of chauvinism then it does any kind of biblical mandate.

 

[FlyForFun]

Yes, as a matter of fact there is. For centuries scripture was used to justify slavery as is being done with keeping woman out of the pulpit based solely on their gender. We look back and in amazement and at times embarrassment that such things were taught from pulpits. Which I think will be the same reaction concerning women serving as pastors.

Your very wide sweeping statement that men are not fine with female leadership smacks more of chauvinism then it does any kind of biblical mandate.

You don't know much about slavery or men, do you?

 

[go2church]

Wrong again. You should be used to that by now. I am a man and I am of mixed race, lived in the deep south and experienced first hand blatant racism in the church.

 

[FlyForFun]

Wrong again. You should be used to that by now. I am a man and I am of mixed race, lived in the deep south and experienced first hand blatant racism in the church.

Then you should know that equating women's access to the pulpit with slavery demeans slavery.

And that men follow men.

I was an Infantry Company Commander, a Scout platoon leader, and a tank Platoon Leader.

Lots of manly-men types there.

 

[Baptist4life]

Argue and twist all you like, but Scripture is pretty plain that only men should be pastors. Your personal preferences, or modern thinking, doesn't change what God said.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You don't know much about slavery or men, do you?

I am curious seeing as how your statement implies that you know a lot about slavery. Have you read the Slave Narratives. This is a collection of personal histories compiled by the Federal Writers' Project during the Great Depression of former slaves sill alive in the 1930's.

Here are the titles:

On Jordan's Stormy Banks

We Lived in a Little Cabin in the Yard

Before Freedom, When I Just Can Remember

My Folks Don't Want Me to Talk About Slavery

Obtain these books, read about slavery from people who experienced it. It is quite an education.

 

[go2church]

Demeans slavery - do you mean demeans how bad slavery was or something else. I sure it's some type of typo, you aren't proslavery?

 

[gb93433]

Neither Paul or Jesus were pastors.
Paul was a missionary, one who planted churches, and then ordained others to pastor them.
Christ was the son of God.

Missionaries are not pastors? When does one go from being a missionary to a pastor?

Paul certainly pastored pastors. Take a look at Acts 20. If that he was not a pastor then what was he?

 

[go2church]

Then I bet you get all flustered when some higher ranking "gal" orders you to drop and give her 20?

 

[Marcia]

Well there were woman apostles Romans 16:7

An apostle is not a pastor, leading a flock.

 

[webdog]

Missionaries are not pastors? When does one go from being a missionary to a pastor?

Paul certainly pastored pastors. Take a look at Acts 20. If that he was not a pastor then what was he?

No, missionaries are not pastors of churches. Paul was an apostle, not a pastor.

 

[FlyForFun]

Demeans slavery - do you mean demeans how bad slavery was or something else. I sure it's some type of typo, you aren't proslavery?

The comparison makes slavery somehow less terrible and evil than it was.

I worked on "the Pile" (the ruins of the WTC) as part of the Search and Rescue effort on September 14th & 15th, 2001.

Afterwards, when someone would say, "Oh yeah, this report is a disaster..." it would bother me, as I'd seen what a real disaster was, and the word lost a bit of its meaning being used in so trite a situation.

So when people use "slavery" or "the Holocaust" as equivalent to modern day perceived ills, I want them to stop and think -- "Are you sure?" because 9 times out of ten the situations are nowhere near as terrible.