rbell said:
You're still insisting that hebrew music was arhythmic.
Correction, scholarly consensus insists that Hebrew music had no regular meter. I'm saying your insistance that Hebrew music was "heavily rhythmic" or that they used percussion "very heavily" is without foundation.
You wish to define percussion instruments as evil.
I said no such thing.
Josephus describes percussive instruments in your quote. How does that prove anything I said wrong?
Percussion does not figure
heavily in Josephus' list. It's evidence against your assertion that the Jews used percussion "very heavily."
I've heard a nevel being played by an Israeli friend. It's been in his family for generations. They pluck the strings and tap the hide as well.
Folks beat out a rhythm on guitar sound boxes too, but that's not the reason the sound box is there.
If percussion instruments are evil, then why is the Toph listed among instruments played?
Who said that percussion instruments are evil? Okay, guys, who's been teasing rbell? Stop it this instant!
If "Rhythm usually followed the accents of the syllables of the words," then, um...how does that prove it's "not rhythmic?"
It's evidence that the music had no regular meter.
I realize that you're suffering from severe constipation because my source doesn't back up your pre-judgements...
I have no prejudice concerning ancient Hebrew music. Anything I've said about it is backed by Scripture and scholars. And unlike ancient Hebrew rhythm, my bowel movements are very regular.
Here's where the rub is: I've not claimed that our Christian music was identical to Hebrew music.
Then how does it rebut Rufus' claim in #83 here?
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=34661&page=9 When he's quoting someone who says that Rock is 75% rhythm, and you say that Hebrew music is mostly rhthym too, it's too late to say, "I didn't mean that Hebrew music was anything like ours." If it isn't what you meant, then it was meaningless.
I claimed that Hebrew music was "heavily rhythmic." I showed examples...
No, you listed instruments.
..a quote, and then you took that information and twisted it to say, "RBell claims that Hebrew music is just like today's Christian music."
In the context of the thread it's exactly what you said.
...(where you got that he didn't study ancient music is beyond me)...
His statement about ancient Hebrew music is glaringly inaccurate, and He's not known for his musical expertise.
I've claimed that if rhythm is evil, someone should have told the Hebrews that.
And here's where you really need to pay attention. Rufus didn't claim that rhythm was evil. His argument was that in rock music it's excessive and therefore against nature.
What I'm saying is that musical styles evolve, and that is not evil...it is cultural.
Then why didn't you say that? Because you wanted us to think that what is going on in the churches today is the same as what went on in the Temple. Besides, music does not evolve, but that's a discussion for another thread.
It took me a while to figure out the sleight of hand you were pulling. You are trying to prove the point: Ancient OT music is not just like today's.
Not my point at all. I'll say it again. Ancient Hebrew music was not "heavily rhythmic" and is nothing like the driving rhythms used in many churches today.
By the way...thanks for insinuating I am dishonest.
Trying to force the issue the way you did allows only two possibilities, you either don't know what you're talking about, or you do know what you're talking about and are purposefully misstating it.
I've come to expect that kind of thing from you.
Did you expect that I was well read on the subject? :tonofbricks:
And I'm still waiting for an explanation of precisely what rhythms are good, and which ones are evil.
I gave you a criterion by which to get a clue. Now, get a clue.
Have a nice weekend.:wavey:
