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Zealous of good works....the Christian life!

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Iconoclast

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Nobody is going to know this stuff from reading this thread.




I'M the scorekeeper? Says the man with 179 post rates given out!
You inspired me.....
Dude and I have some history on this back and forth that we do from time to time.
Dude believes I quench the Spirit and that too much study has made me mad.
I believe Dude puts himself at risk. Relying on feelings,emotions, impressions, that he thinks to be the annointing!
So periodically we remind each other where we stand.
We speak openly to each other on this. I say nothing about Dude that I have not said directly to him.....he does the same toward me.

By the way itl....care to comment on the quotes offered in the OP?
 

Iconoclast

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Here is a sample;

here is a sample from this sermon;

We think, if we read Scripture rightly, that no work can be good unless it is commanded of God

Again: nothing is a good work unless it is done with a good motive; and there is no motive which can be said to be good but the glory of God

"Where, then," you ask, "do they come from?" We answer, good works come from a real conversion, brought about by the Spirit of God.

Good works are the gifts of God, his choice pearls, which he sendeth down with his grace.

We are not against the law of God. We believe it is no longer binding on us as the covenant of salvation; but we have nothing to say against the law of God. "The law is holy; we are carnal, sold under sin."

The use of good works is, that they are a Christian's sermon. A sermon is not what a man says, but what he does. You who practice are preaching; it is not preaching and practising, but practising is preaching. The sermon that is preached by the mouth is soon forgotten, but what we preach by our lives is never forgotten. There is nothing like faithful practice and holy living, if we would preach to the world. The reason why Christianity does not advance with a mightier stride, is simply this:—that professors are in a large measure a disgrace to religion, and many of those who are joined to the church have no more godliness than those who are out of it
Getting back to the OP.....Iconoclast quotes his own post and works on it a bit.....lol
This sermon from the text in 2:14 is simply opening up and giving a summary of the first two chapters.
In chapter 1:1....according to the faith of God's elect which is after GODLINESS,in hope of eternal life which God promised before the world began....God cannot lie....
Being zealous of good works in part is what God has called us to.
Holding fast the faithful word vs7....the eldership
2:7...in all things showing a pattern of good works
2:12...denying ungodliness,worldly lust,live soberly righteously and godly in this present world.
 

InTheLight

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You inspired me.....

I inspire you to rate people's post? Don't think so.

Dude and I have some history on this back and forth that we do from time to time.
Dude believes I quench the Spirit and that too much study has made me mad.
I believe Dude puts himself at risk. Relying on feelings,emotions, impressions, that he thinks to be the annointing!
So periodically we remind each other where we stand.
We speak openly to each other on this. I say nothing about Dude that I have not said directly to him.....he does the same toward me.

No one else knows about this. I didn't know that. I didn't need to know that. Isn't it better handled via a PM, er, Conversation?

By the way itl....care to comment on the quotes offered in the OP?

Not really. I will say that the sole purpose for people being "born and brought into the world" (sic) is not to be holy. We were created to bring glory to God.

Isa. 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
 

Iconoclast

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InTheLight,



No one else knows about this. I didn't know that. I didn't need to know that. Isn't it better handled via a PM, er, Conversation?



Dude in the words of that great theologian RAMBO.......Dude drew first blood....lol.
By making the statement about dead theologians.....he is brushing aside massive amounts of teaching that is foundational in church history.We benefit from all of it,but Dude seeks that which is on the fringe....he has heard sermons on.....the dead letter....but the Spirit gives life....
Ask him....he will tell you.
 
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righteousdude2

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What I find sad is Dude ridicules godly teachers, claims out of body experiences, direct conversations,and such experiences claiming to be "guided" by the Spirit.
Then in the divorce thread he goes against clear biblical teaching pitting one verse against another as if the Spirit would have him do that.
Keep in mind as you seem to keep track as BB'S score keeper that Dude did not like or agree with statements from the sermon dealing with the calling and command of Titus.
 

righteousdude2

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InTheLight,

Dude in the words of that great theologian RAMBO.......Dude drew first blood....lol.
By making the statement about dead theologians.....he is brushing aside massive amounts of teaching that is foundational in church history.We benefit from all of it,but Dude seeks that which is on the fringe....he has heard sermons on.....the dead letter....but the Spirit gives life....
Ask him....he will tell you.

Once again, you are misquoting me, and using your interpretation to discredit me! I did not say that your use of quotes from past theologians was a bad thing, but rather your use of these quotes to support your views of scripture, or scripture itself. I believe that scripture can and should stand on its own merits, not conflated, deflated or inflates by the words of those who lived in their day, and were not cognizant of the way things are in our day and age! Things are a lot different today than a hundred years ago. Only scripture can surpass time, and be applicable to the needs of His people today!

I have read and studied as many of the great theologians as the next person, but find that in some and most cases, their meanings or interpretation of scripture was more for their time and certain situations they faced during that period of time! We are facing an entire set of new trials, temptations and issues today, and we must find truth and guidance from the scripture through the leading of the Holy Spirit, who Christ told us was given to enlighten us! Or, is that not the truth? John 14:25-26, "These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. Or, 2 Tim. 3:15-17, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Spurgeon, Wesley, Calvin, and my favorite on prayer adages, EM Bounds! But NOTHING TAKES THE PLACE OF SCRIPTURE! Nor should it! So I stand by my original criticism of your post, if what you say is for our overall edification and good, let the scripture stand alone and on its own merits, and not upon your interpretation or the interpretations of others who have since passed!
 

righteousdude2

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InTheLight,

he is brushing aside massive amounts of teaching that is foundational in church history

Well and fine and good, Icon! But when you want to slant that teaching of scripture towards Calvin or Armenian views, or Catholicism or Wesley, Hagge or Jim Jones, you need to be careful! Why not just share your thoughts without using adages of dead men for a supportive foundation! Your zealous nature and love of God was never in question, like you are trying to make mine out to be, :( but rather the use of some other theologian's words, who may have been was wise beyond his years, but not necessarily as relevant today as let's say a Billy Graham or a Charles Stanley!
 

righteousdude2

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You inspired me.....
Dude and I have some history on this back and forth that we do from time to time.
Dude believes I quench the Spirit and that too much study has made me mad.
I believe Dude puts himself at risk. Relying on feelings,emotions, impressions, that he thinks to be the annointing!
So periodically we remind each other where we stand.
We speak openly to each other on this. I say nothing about Dude that I have not said directly to him.....he does the same toward me.

By the way itl....care to comment on the quotes offered in the OP?

Now we both agree! No mud slinging, just agreement to disagree! Shalom!
 

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I find it tragic that a brother posts a message that challenged him on the importance of being 'zealous of good works' and that he is then attacked, condemned, and falsely accused of being a man-follower instead of obeying the scriptures. Dozens, maybe scores of times God has used the preaching and writing of men, including dead theologians, to teach me His word and then apply His word to my belief. God gave us teachers to edify and equip us to do the work of the ministry. None of them are perfect, but when we are open to the Holy Spirit's teaching God can use even flawed men to teach us His word.

Else, why bother going to church to hear preaching? Why bother reading godly books?

Strange. I thought the Bible said that teachers were God's gift to the church. Oh, that's only the ones who are still alive. The great teachers of previous days have nothing to teach us, I guess.

I like to read Spurgeon and John Wesley in tandem. I have long been a fan of C.S. Lewis (an anti-Calvinist whose own testimony gives weight to unconditional election) and have come to appreciate G.K. Chesterton who -- though a Catholic (gasp) and anti-Calvinist -- stands firm on the absolute truth of Christianity and attacks relativism and materialism with a relish we can only hope to emulate.

Forgive me for an overlong quote from Lewis:

Every age has its own outlook. It is specially good at seeing certain truths and specially liable to make certain mistakes. We all, therefore, need the books that will correct the characteristic mistakes of our own period. And that means the old books. All contemporary writers share to some extent the contemporary outlook—even those, like myself, who seem most opposed to it. ... We may be sure that the characteristic blindness of the twentieth century—the blindness about which posterity will ask, "But how could they have thought that?"—lies where we have never suspected it, and concerns something about which there is untroubled agreement between Hitler and President Roosevelt or between H.G. Wells and Karl Barth. None of us can fully escape this blindness, but we shall certainly increase it, and weaken our guard against it, if we read only modern books. Where they are true they will give us truths which we half knew already. Where they are false they will aggravate the error with which we are already dangerously ill. The only palliative is to keep the clean sea breeze of the centuries blowing through our minds, and this can be done only by reading old books. Not, of course, that there is any magic about the past. People were no cleverer then than they are now; they made as many mistakes as we. But not the same mistakes. They will not flatter us in the errors we are already committing; and their own errors, being now open and palpable, will not endanger us. Two heads are better than one, not because either is infallible, but because they are unlikely to go wrong in the same direction. To be sure, the books of the future would be just as good a corrective as the books of the past, but unfortunately we cannot get at them.

Oops, there I am quoting the dead ...
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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and have come to appreciate G.K. Chesterton who -- though a Catholic (gasp) and anti-Calvinist -- stands firm on the absolute truth of Christianity and attacks relativism and materialism with a relish we can only hope to emulate.




Oops, there I am quoting the dead ...

I like Chesterton and have read a lot of his work.

BTW, if you enjoy a good mystery check out his 'Father Brown' series :)

Great Lewis quote BTW.
 
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Rippon

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But when you want to slant that teaching of scripture towards Calvin or Armenian views,
Sigh, please spell it A-r-m-i-n-i-a-n.
Why not just share your thoughts without using adages of dead men for a supportive foundation!
You've already been taken to task for the above attitude.
but not necessarily as relevant today as let's say a Billy Graham or a Charles Stanley!
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Rippon

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Strange. I thought the Bible said that teachers were God's gift to the church. Oh, that's only the ones who are still alive. The great teachers of previous days have nothing to teach us, I guess.
Good.
I like to read Spurgeon and John Wesley in tandem. I have long been a fan of C.S. Lewis (an anti-Calvinist whose own testimony gives weight to unconditional election) and have come to appreciate G.K. Chesterton who -- though a Catholic (gasp) and anti-Calvinist -- stands firm on the absolute truth of Christianity and attacks relativism and materialism with a relish we can only hope to emulate.
I am not as well-read on Chesterton as with other authors. But I am aware that Chesterton is a valuable resource.
Forgive me for an overlong quote from Lewis:
I appreciated it, and largely agree.
 

NaasPreacher (C4K)

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F.B. could give Sherlock Holmes a run for the money I have heard.

I think it is an improvement. His general Christian world view shines through in the stories. Chesterton is a wordsmith where I think Doyle can be clunky.

Sorry, I'm sorry to linger over a dead guy ;-)
 
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righteousdude2

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You've already been taken to task for the above attitude.

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Excuse me, but the only person who can 'take me to task' is the Father. While I appreciate others views, who is to say whom is correct on any issue? Surely not you? Granted you are skilled in grammar, you fail to impress anyone with your convoluted views of scripture.

You guys have already been accused of be Pharisee like, and your gloating statement above only sheds light on your real reason for addressing me. None of you will ever get respect from me until respect is given in equal form. It is okay to agree to disagree when it comes to doctrinal theology, but not one of you hold all the answers to the infinite mysteries of Jehovah God.

I say this all the time brother, and will say it again ... ALL of us have tons of spiritual enlightenment to look forward when we get to heaven and all our errors are pointed out.
 
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righteousdude2

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My husband and I read the Valley Of Visions together while we were engaged. Lots of good stuff in there. I hope you are able to find a copy.

Never read that book but I loved "Destined for the Throne" and Billy Grahams "Angels!" Another great book, on divorce and remarriage is "The Right to Remarry!" Also I love Ladd's book, "The Blessed Hope!"
 
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