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The True Gospel Preacher

Ben1445

Active Member
Please show me in scripture the phrase “free will choice” to be saved?
I’ll show you “free will choice” when you show me “unconditional election” or “irresistible grace”


Please don’t refer to commands to “chose this day who you will serve”. The entire OT Law is full of commands to chose certain things that no body but Jesus kept.
Because you think that people in the OT were saved by a different way?
Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

I thought all Scripture was profitable for doctrine. You don’t think so?

That command to choose whom you will serve is not in the Law. It is in the History in the book of Joshua not from the Books of Moses.

God prompted Cain to make the right choice.
Genesis 4:7
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

This choice was not given under the law, as if it mattered.
Again, show me from scripture the phrase “free will choice”?
Again show me what I ask for.
Romans 6-7 is a master of doctrinal certainty that human will is enslaved to sin and, therefore, cannot be considered “free”

Peace to you
Slave to sin and freed from sin is not the same as unable to choose and free to choose. I’m not sure how familiar you are with the idea of slavery but some slaves do get away.
They are not given options about staying or going but some still take the option that isn’t there. It is illogical on paper but it still happens. It doesn’t matter whether you agree with it or not.



In the meantime, if you have ears to hear,

Luke 8:18
Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

Matthew 15:28
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
While this verse talks about the physical healing received, the parallels to spiritual healing are there.
Hebrews 4:6
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Luke 8:25
And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.

Calvinist answer, “You didn’t give it to me yet.”

Acts 2:40
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

John 4:10
Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

That would be her choice.

Luke 9:23-24
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Not whosoever God wills lose his life…


Matthew 17:17
Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

Jesus could have answered that for them if you were right. If you were right, they could have rightly said, “You tell us.”


Stop being stingy with the gift of God! freely ye have received, freely give.
 

David Lamb

Well-Known Member
If led by Spirit and in his word. But someone can be saved and not have fruits.
But as Paul wrote to Christians at Ephesus reminding them of their salvation:

“8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:8-10 NKJV)
 

KJB1611reader

Active Member
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

'unto,' 'should.'
 
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