Let's suppose Calvinism is true...then why don't all Christians believe it?

[Skandelon]

As I recall Scandelon you started a discussion on another thread as to why you left "Calvinism" to adopt "Freewillism". Was not that an attempt to convert people to your way of thinking?

But that is different because I'm not acting in contradiction to what I believe. I believe you have the free will to choose to believe one doctrine or another and that you might be persuaded with words.

I am not trying to convince you of anything. I have said on this Forum more than once that no one could have convinced me of the Doctrine of Election and Sovereign Grace. GOD working through Scripture did. However, I will defend what I believe and what Scripture teaches.

Why? Why bother when its only God who is going to really defend anything by granting his children what he has already granted you? You are wasting your time here.

As for why not you. Simply read the history of the Israelites in Old Testament. Perhaps that will help you understand.

Yep, Heb 3 speaks volumes about why my views are more biblical than yours. We do have something to do with whether or not our hearts grow hardened.

 

[OldRegular]

But that is different because I'm not acting in contradiction to what I believe. I believe you have the free will to choose to believe one doctrine or another and that you might be persuaded with words.

You mean it is different because you are spewing your "Freewillism" doctrine!

Why? Why bother when its only God who is going to really defend anything by granting his children what he has already granted you? You are wasting your time here.

My being here is determined by GOD. HE can remove me any time HE chooses!

Yep, Heb 3 speaks volumes about why my views are more biblical than yours.

This remark belongs on the rant and rave Forum if there is one. When did the Book of Hebrews make it to the Old Testament!

We do have something to do with whether or not our hearts grow hardened.

I thought on your thread about your conversion to "Freewillism" you blamed GOD for hardening. I believe you called it judicial hardening!

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=63516

 

[Skandelon]

You mean it is different because you are spewing your "Freewillism" doctrine!

You are misrepresenting what I said and some would call that a lie. :laugh:

I thought on your thread about your conversion to "Freewillism" you blamed GOD for hardening. I believe you called it judicial hardening!

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=63516

Yet another reason to believe that you have never really come to understand the "freewillism" that you so adamantly deny.

I have explained in my blog and numerous times on this forum what I believe (and what most non-Calvinistic scholars teach) with regard judicial hardening and self hardening. I hope you will take the time to understand it before you attack it next time. Thanks

 

[OldRegular]

You mean it is different because you are spewing your "Freewillism" doctrine!

You are misrepresenting what I said and some would call that a lie. :laugh:

So you are denying spewing your "Freewillism" doctrine?

I thought on your thread about your conversion to "Freewillism" you blamed GOD for hardening. I believe you called it judicial hardening!

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=63516

Yet another reason to believe that you have never really come to understand the "freewillism" that you so adamantly deny.

I have explained in my blog and numerous times on this forum what I believe (and what most non-Calvinistic scholars teach) with regard judicial hardening and self hardening. I hope you will take the time to understand it before you attack it next time. Thanks

Where did I attack judicial or self hardening? You are again misrepresenting what I said.

I understand all I need to about “Freewillism” ; that it is unbiblical!!

 

[Skandelon]

So you are denying spewing your "Freewillism" doctrine?

If you are denying that Calvinism excludes some from salvation, yes.

Where did I attack judicial or self hardening? You are again misrepresenting what I said.

I didn't say you attacked "hardening"...I said you attacked my views without fully understand them. You questioned why I would think Heb 3 was a warning to be heeded when I believe in Judicial hardening thus revealing your lack of understand about our views with regard to the distinction between that and self hardening.

I understand all I need to about “Freewillism” I need to; that it is unbiblical!!

oooo, too much substance there for me to handle, you win. :wavey:

 

[OldRegular]

If you are denying that Calvinism excludes some from salvation, yes.

So where did "Calvinism" get the authority to exclude anyone from Salvation? I thought that was the purview of GOD; Judas for example!

 

[olegig]

So where did "Calvinism" get the authority to exclude anyone from Salvation? I thought that was the purview of GOD; Judas for example!

And Judas was one of the chosen.....go figure??????

 

[Amy.G]

So where did "Calvinism" get the authority to exclude anyone from Salvation? I thought that was the purview of GOD; Judas for example!

Sigh. You know better than that kind of statement. But I'll go ahead and straighten you out. :laugh:


The Doctrine of Calvinism states that God excludes people.

 

[Amy.G]

And Judas was one of the chosen.....go figure??????

............

 

[OldRegular]

Sigh. You know better than that kind of statement. But I'll go ahead and straighten you out. :laugh:


The Doctrine of Calvinism states that God excludes people.

That does not mean that "Calvinists" have the authority to exclude people. They simply believe that GOD, that is GOD, again I say GOD, passes over some people for Salvation.

 

[Jerome]

That does not mean that "Calvinists" have the authority to exclude people.

For which we all can be thankful.

 

[Amy.G]

That does not mean that "Calvinists" have the authority to exclude people. They simply believe that GOD, that is GOD, again I say GOD, passes over some people for Salvation.

And no one has said that Calvinists have that authority, which is why I didn't understand your statement.

 

[OldRegular]

And no one has said that Calvinists have that authority, which is why I didn't understand your statement.

Amy

Please read Sk's post #165 again! {My Bold.}

If you are denying that Calvinism excludes some from salvation, yes.

I didn't say you attacked "hardening"...I said you attacked my views without fully understand them. You questioned why I would think Heb 3 was a warning to be heeded when I believe in Judicial hardening thus revealing your lack of understand about our views with regard to the distinction between that and self hardening.

oooo, too much substance there for me to handle, you win. :wavey:

 

[Amy.G]

Amy

Please read Sk's post #165 again! {My Bold.}

Originally Posted by Skandelon View Post
If you are denying that Calvinism excludes some from salvation, yes.

He didn't say Calvinists exclude people. He said Calvinism (the doctrine) excludes people.


It's the doctrine that excludes (ism).


No one has said that CalvinISTS exclude people.

 

[OldRegular]

He didn't say Calvinists exclude people. He said Calvinism (the doctrine) excludes people.


It's the doctrine that excludes (ism).


No one has said that CalvinISTS exclude people.

You are simply mincing words Amy. Not like you!

The doctrine simply states that it is GOD who determines who will be saved, not man!

 

[Winman]

The doctrine simply states that it is GOD who determines who will be saved, not man!

And the doctrine is error. God determined to give man free will and choice. He allows men to act independently, otherwise man could not be held respsonsible for rejecting the gospel. If God determines who is saved, then he also determines that a majority of men would die in unbelief. But this cannot be so because unbelief is a sin and God never tempts any man to sin.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

If Calvinism is true, God didn't just tempt man to unbelief, he DETERMINED their unbelief. Your doctrine teaches that God cursed man with the inability to believe, making God the root cause of unbelief and sin.

 

[Theopolis]

God determined to give man free will and choice.

The human will is in bondage, until God regenerates a man. Once regenerated, a man's will no longer is in bondage. A regenerated man now has a renewed will which has been restored to be able to respond to the gospel call with an exercise of faith.

 

[webdog]

The human will is in bondage, until God regenerates a man. Once regenerated, a man's will no longer is in bondage. A regenerated man now has a renewed will which has been restored to be able to respond to the gospel call with an exercise of faith.

That sounds nice, but it is the false reformed understanding. I thought you stated you were not reformed.

 

[OldRegular]

That sounds nice, but it is the false reformed understanding. I thought you stated you were not reformed.

I would use the term Biblical rather than reformed! But then that is just the way I am!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[OldRegular]

And the doctrine is error. God determined to give man free will and choice. He allows men to act independently, otherwise man could not be held respsonsible for rejecting the gospel. If God determines who is saved, then he also determines that a majority of men would die in unbelief. But this cannot be so because unbelief is a sin and God never tempts any man to sin.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

If Calvinism is true, God didn't just tempt man to unbelief, he DETERMINED their unbelief. Your doctrine teaches that God cursed man with the inability to believe, making God the root cause of unbelief and sin.

GOD did give one man free will and look what he did with it. Think on this Winman, perhaps you will learn something!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: