the attributes of god

Calv1: Jesus did veil His divinity completely, and He did not give himself "Amnesia"! Nor did He divest Himself of His divine attributes, but rather "Became a servant", that is acted only according to His human nature. He controlled the elements, healed, etc. as a human filled with the power of the Holy Spirit, as Paul and Peter later did.

As for knowledge, it is clear that God is all knowing. We can't interject phrases like "He will forget our sins" to imply that God no longer knows about our sins, but rather knows about them, but chooses to see only Christs righteouness on us. If He literally "Forgot" our sins, then we would be considered righteous on our own account.

 

Good point. Also, he would be "surprised" every time a preacher spoke about the sins of past saints, like when David committed adultery or when Peter denied Christ.

 

No, your definition is limited, not ALL. It's not from the Bible because the Bible teaches that God knows everything. You deny the Scriptures.

We have quoted many Scriptures that clearly teach that God knows everything. You have yet to post 1 that says that there is something that God doesn't know.

You have a week god. I worship a sovereign all knowing powerful God.

 

Considering all the sins that have been confessed and presumably forgiven by God, I suppose you believe there are huge gaps in the mind of God as to how this event came about and that event came about since he can't remember all the sinful acts of all those forgiven sins?

I don't believe it is calling God a "liar" to suggest that his "remembering them no more" is in reference to his decision to treat the person as if they had never sinned and no longer need to carry the guilt of that sin. Jesus approached Peter after his weeping confessional to restore him and help him find healing. Many sins we commit require years of healing and restoration, so to suggest God has literally no recollection of our past wrong doings, their effects and our need for recovery from the pain they have caused is a bit shortsighted.

When we say, "I have forgotten about it," we are expressing our choice to not think about the sin and to treat a person as if they didn't wrong us. Do you think all people who use this type of verbiage to be a liars as well?

 

I disagree with your statement here.
I do believe you are not recognizing metaphors when they are used.
I will give you a simple one.

A friend and I are offended at each other. Something has come up to cause us to to be somewhat angry with each other.
Later on we reconcile our differences and "bury the hatchet."
Literally, neither of us have a hatchet to bury.
So what does that mean? It means that we have forgiven each other and we won't bring the matter up again. Not bringing it up again, or burying the hatchet, is the same as forgetting it altogether, though that may be humanly impossible for each of us to do. We will always remember the incident. But as far as each one of us is concerned it is forgotten.

It is the same with the Lord. He is omniscient. He has "forgotten" our sins in that they will never be held against us. That is a promise. But in reality, being omniscient, he cannot forget anything. All knowledge belongs to him.

 

You mean that the Bible has metaphors in it? gasp!!!

 

Agree with you here, God knows everything that is possible to be known, and that many times He has to be described in ways to "relate: down to our levels!

 

BIG difference between the Lord NOT remembering our sins in the sense that He does not hold them against us anymore, that our debt owed Him was paid thru the Cross of Christ, than He really totally forgot them...

When God thinks of you, now found in Christ, All he now sees is the blood of Jesus atoning for all Sins, and your new relationship /covenant thru the Cross of Christ...

Crude analogue would be like someone doing really bad things, murder etc than the judge says that he has a pardon from the State, and his past crimes will not be used against him any more, to be remembered no more...

 

No, you just read like a child would read. Never in Scripture does it say that God doesn't know something. The term "remember" means "to bring to mind or think of again." God will never "bring to mind" or "think of again" our sins because they have been forgiven. It doesn't mean that God forgets.

 

Van, I don't think it is reasonable to imply that we believe God to be a liar because we don't teach that He has literally forgotten a large portion of human history.

 

You read like a child. I just quoted the definition of "remember." You are adding to it to support your agenda. The Scriptures teach that God knows everything. The Scriptures never say that God doesn't know something. To interpret "remember no more" as forget is to not fully understand the meaning of the term remember and also have a interpretation that contradicts Scripture. Remember, it doesn't say "forget" but "remember no more." There is a difference.

 

Excellent post.

 

Leave out the personal comments please.

I was just about to make the same point.

Remember: to recall to the mind by an act or effort of memory; think of again

Forget: to be unable to recall

Choosing not to remember, by these definitions, would clearly be different from forgetting. God could be able to recall the knowledge of something but choose to not bring it to mind or recall it again so as to judge the man for doing it. Seems pretty straight-foward to me and we don't have God lying to anyone either.

 

I just said you read like a child. That has nothing to do with your character or qualifications other than your reading skills are lacking. Of course you offer no rebuttal, so that's really telling. remember no more doesn't equal forget.[deleted comment]
God is omniscient! He doesn't forget and has all knowledge. One must read the Bible as a child and add to definitions to say that God doesn't have all knowledge.

While we usually think of not remembering something as forgetting, it really isn't. We still have the knowledge, just don't have it in the front of our minds.