ALL of us do that!
As many as received Christ, God made them His children, born from above by the act of NOT human will, but by Will of God! Apostle John
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Is God Able To regenerate sinners before their faith in Christ?
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ALL of us do that!
As many as received Christ, God made them His children, born from above by the act of NOT human will, but by Will of God! Apostle John
convicted1
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Correct, they received Christ, and they were given the power to become the sons of God. God calls, we must respond.
OldRegular
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Your Articles of Faith say
"We believe in the impotency or inability of men to recover themselves out of the state they are in"
All men are initially dead in trespass and sin so what is the difference why do some love darkness while other presumably prefer light?
Alive in Christ
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God has never, nor will He ever, regenerate anyone, until that one repents of the attitute of not desiring to be born of the Spirit, and changes their attitude to one of acceptance of, and desire for that new birth through faith and faith alone..
How did that work with the Apostle Paul???Maybe you could clarify what you are thinking here....as written it does not seem to match any biblical verses.....
Can you show me a Scripture that states that the Holy Spirit draws the unbeliever to Him?
The purpose of the Holy Spirit to the world is stated in John.
John 16:7 - 11
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
I don't see any drawing of the lost in this work of the Holy Spirit.
This is why the Scriptures can state that there is a difference between I'm sorry that the believer gives and I'm sorry that the unbeliever gives.
2 Corinthians
"For godly sorrow works repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world works death."
Alive in Christ
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Iconoclast...
Sure it does. Multitudes of them.
But you will have to put aside your calvinism...it clouds your ability to discern accurately...in order to understand the truth of the scriptures regarding this.
Sure it does. Multitudes of them.
But you will have to put aside your calvinism...it clouds your ability to discern accurately...in order to understand the truth of the scriptures regarding this.
OIC.....:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Glad you have gnostic vision.maybe you could show how Paul was desiring this....as you say here;
as he was persecuting the christians.....just a verse or two...being you see multitudes of them!
Alive in Christ
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Iconoclast...
Well, I have to say, I am very surprised that you would get the idea that discerning truth from the scriptures...which I advocated...is synonomous with gnosticism.
Never would have thought that of you.
Well, I have to say, I am very surprised that you would get the idea that discerning truth from the scriptures...which I advocated...is synonomous with gnosticism.
Never would have thought that of you.
psalms109:31
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Why someone chooses darkness instead of our light or chooses our light instead of darkness, I can give you opinion that most don't like, Maybe people don't like secluded people who keep to themselves and in their opinion of you, you think highly of yourself. That they think you think you have something others can't have. Maybe some other people are attracted to that.
We really don't know if we don't get to know them and you can't if they will not let your foot in the door and maybe that is because of past experience with believers. When we judge others the same judgement can be placed on ourselves and say the inability isn't in the person being preached to, but the one preaching.
I can tell you it isn't because of God, because God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, they can't be saved if they don't come to the knowledge of the truth and it can only come from Jesus and His words and the words about Him. I am not lying God really does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.
If all was all sorts of men He would of said all sorts of me, If He meant all men from different tribes of men He would of said that, so we must read all men.
1 Timothy 2
Instructions on Worship
1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
Romans 10:
11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[Isaiah 28:16 (see Septuagint)] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[Joel 2:32]
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[Isaiah 52:7]
We really don't know if we don't get to know them and you can't if they will not let your foot in the door and maybe that is because of past experience with believers. When we judge others the same judgement can be placed on ourselves and say the inability isn't in the person being preached to, but the one preaching.
I can tell you it isn't because of God, because God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, they can't be saved if they don't come to the knowledge of the truth and it can only come from Jesus and His words and the words about Him. I am not lying God really does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.
If all was all sorts of men He would of said all sorts of me, If He meant all men from different tribes of men He would of said that, so we must read all men.
1 Timothy 2
Instructions on Worship
1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
Romans 10:
11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[Isaiah 28:16 (see Septuagint)] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[Joel 2:32]
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[Isaiah 52:7]
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No.AIC.....it is just that you have these "unique" insights...that no one else seems to "see".....The scriptures do not lead to gnostic thought.....your Gnosticvision does......
can you show this from scripture ...or not????
I say you cannot...because that is a false idea......offer your verses at this time......have not seen one of the multitude you claim????
Alive in Christ
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Iconoclast...
Now you are slandering me. Congratulations.
I clearly said in my 1st post...
...and you respond to that by calling me a gnostic.
Please stop it. Behave like an adult.
Thank you.
Now you are slandering me. Congratulations.
I clearly said in my 1st post...
...and you respond to that by calling me a gnostic.
Please stop it. Behave like an adult.
Thank you.
convicted1
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To quote Andy Taylor, "I feel like we're running in circles here."
We, as sinners, are seperated from God, correct? The same thing happeded to two people waaaaay back in the Garden, correct? Now, even when they died spiritually, God communed with them, did He, or did He not?
He still operates the same today.
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psalms109:31
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Originally Posted by psalms109:31 View Post
"you'll never be able to continue to the end; you have not the joy of His children; you have such a wavering hold on Jesus.” All these are thoughts about self, and we will never find comfort or assurance by looking within."
This is a quote from C.H. Spurgeon a Calvinist
Regeneration before faith, save the saved, that is ridiculous
This is what Spurgeon said,
"If I am to preach the faith in Christ to a man who is regenerated, then the man, being regenerated, is saved already, and it is an unnecessary and ridiculous thing for me to preach Christ to him, and bid him to believe in order to be saved when he is saved already, being regenerate. Am I only to preach faith to those who have it? Absurd, indeed! Is not this waiting till the man is cured and then bringing him the medicine? This is preaching Christ to the righteous and not to sinners." [Sermon entitled The Warrant of Faith].
I just want people to know how others Calvinist think of this matter.
convicted1
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Thanks again for this wonderful post. Like I have stated numerous times, "There is NO LIFE outside of Jesus Christ."
I take it that you view is that one can of their own power and motives commune with God as an unbeliever and become a believer.
And you point to the state of Adam and Eve when they sinned.
Can the reverse then apply?
Can a believer (Adam and Eve before the fall) turn away from God and loose their salvation and get kicked out of heaven just as Adam and Eve fell into sin and lost their position as caretakers of the garden?
I was wondering just how far your Adam and Eve illustration fits?
psalms109:31
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Praise Jesus :jesus: :1_grouphug:
Romans 7:
24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
convicted1
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Now, where did I ever state this? No one will come to God until He first draw them. Jesus spoke with many, and though they were sinners, He healed them of their infirmities. This is how they are saved. The hour is coming, and now is, that the dead shall hear the voice of God, and they that hear, shall live." Jesus did not say that the living shall hear and live, which is completely backwards of what He said. But most on here hold this as an absolute truth, which is absolutely false.No, no one can become unsaved. This is a very good question that I will have to ponder on. :thumbs::thumbs:
However, look at the woman with the issue of blood, Mary Magdalene, and the number of other sinners who could commune with Jesus, and them still sinners. Just because one is spiritually dead, doesn't mean their soul is a lifeless corpse. The dead shall hear, and they that hear, shall live. Sorry about posting this in your face like this, but it is true. God can, and does commune with sinners.
No doubt God can and does commune with sinners. God can do anything He desires that does not violate His character and nature.
convicted1
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Now we're getting somewhere, and not just spinning our wheels.
Now, here is a "point blank" question. A "yes" or "no" will suffice.
Is there life outside of Jesus Christ?
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