What are you my priest? Are you God? I do not sin continually, as you so slanderously said I do. You go against God. God says do not sin continually, you say you sin continually. You a person who speaks boldly against the commands of God wants to judge me. I answered you, not stop harassing me.
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Theoretical sinlessness
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What are you my priest? Are you God? I do not sin continually, as you so slanderously said I do. You go against God. God says do not sin continually, you say you sin continually. You a person who speaks boldly against the commands of God wants to judge me. I answered you, not stop harassing me.
You are very quick to judge. I judge all things by the Word of God. That is my standard. Here is what it says:Who are you DHK to judge the servant of another? What is it to you how he leads his personal life before God? All you are doing is setting him up so you can cast stones. I remember such a similiar case in Scripture.
I personally would spend more time casting the sin out of my own life than trying to cast stones in the direction of one that feels they are walking in the light as He is in the light. You might find in the end you have kicked against the pricks.
(1Jn 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(1Jn 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
People who say they have not sinned stand on dangerous ground.
You misquote me. If you are going to quote me then quote me accurately putting my actual words in quotes.What are you my priest? Are you God? I do not sin continually, as you so slanderously said I do. You go against God. God says do not sin continually, you say you sin continually. You a person who speaks boldly against the commands of God wants to judge me. I answered you, not stop harassing me.
I simply asked if you were sinless. That offends you greatly.
So greatly that it offends you, that you won't even give an honest answer.
You are very quick to judge. I judge all things by the Word of God. That is my standard. Here is what it says:
(1Jn 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(1Jn 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
People who say they have not sinned stand on dangerous ground.
People who say they sin continually is on dangerous grounds. HOW can you not see that TRUTH.
Either quote me where I said that, or retract your slander.People who say they sin continually is on dangerous grounds. HOW can you not see that TRUTH.
You misquote me. If you are going to quote me then quote me accurately putting my actual words in quotes.
I simply asked if you were sinless. That offends you greatly.
So greatly that it offends you, that you won't even give an honest answer.
You falsely accuse me of things. Here you even say I misquote you. I quoted you correctly, are you going to admit your doctrine of sin is a lie and against the words of God? It should offend you, but I do not think you will ever see your error. Now get off my back, and stop sinning continuously.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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DHK, I am not a newcomer here. I have seen such tactics used before on at least one godly man on this forum.
You are not his judge and have no reason on a debate forum to attack him over a testimony you are at least attempting to drag out of him. Why would you not be encouraging him to walk as close to the Lord as he can? No, you are not interesting in building one up for a closer walk with the Lord, but rather are attempting to drag him down to a level you feel comfortable living in. You are operating in precisely reverse osmosis to one desiring to help or encourage one to walk a holy walk before God. Why would that be DHK? Where are we told to operate in that fashion?
Whatever happened to building one up in the most HOLY faith as Scripture admonishes us to?
You are not his judge and have no reason on a debate forum to attack him over a testimony you are at least attempting to drag out of him. Why would you not be encouraging him to walk as close to the Lord as he can? No, you are not interesting in building one up for a closer walk with the Lord, but rather are attempting to drag him down to a level you feel comfortable living in. You are operating in precisely reverse osmosis to one desiring to help or encourage one to walk a holy walk before God. Why would that be DHK? Where are we told to operate in that fashion?
Whatever happened to building one up in the most HOLY faith as Scripture admonishes us to?
Robert Robinson, in 1759 wrote these words:
He certainly believed in a depraved nature. He knew that all mankind is "prone to wander to leave the God they love," even after they are saved. It is the old nature that causes that inward desire.
Unfortunately it isn't always true. Every believer sins every day. Deny it, and you have just lied.
(aka sin nature--glad you agree)
Again, your very words belie a sin nature.
God does not go against His Word. He did not die in vain. His death was for sinners. His death was for all sinners in the world, or for all. That includes you. You are a sinner--from birth onward. If you weren't a sinner from birth, then Christ didn't die for you did he?
It is God's will that all should come to repentance and none should perish. But God's will is not always accomplished because of the depravity of the human heart.
I know for a fact that you do not keep these commandments as they are written. Therefore it is proof that you are a sinner. You sin continually. That in itself is evidence of your depraved nature which you inherited from birth.
Here is what you said. You said, "You sin continually."
Heavenly Pilgrim
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Tell us DHK. Do you sin every day in thought word and deed? If not, how would you describe the frequency of sin in your life?
Robert Robinson, in 1759 wrote these words:
He certainly believed in a depraved nature. He knew that all mankind is "prone to wander to leave the God they love," even after they are saved. It is the old nature that causes that inward desire.
Unfortunately it isn't always true. Every believer sins every day. Deny it, and you have just lied.
(aka sin nature--glad you agree)
Again, your very words belie a sin nature.
God does not go against His Word. He did not die in vain. His death was for sinners. His death was for all sinners in the world, or for all. That includes you. You are a sinner--from birth onward. If you weren't a sinner from birth, then Christ didn't die for you did he?
It is God's will that all should come to repentance and none should perish. But God's will is not always accomplished because of the depravity of the human heart.
I know for a fact that you do not keep these commandments as they are written. Therefore it is proof that you are a sinner. You sin continually. That in itself is evidence of your depraved nature which you inherited from birth.
Here, I will post it again, this time in bigger letters and in bold.
So, you want to take those words out of the context that I said them in and say that I live in a state of sin. Shame on you!Here, I will post it again, this time in bigger letters and in bold.
Do you live a sinless life?
Heavenly Pilgrim
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DHK, why did you say that, or suggest that others do, if that is not your personal testimony?
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1Th 5:17
Pray without ceasing.
1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
1Th 5:25 Brethren, pray for us.
Moriah,
Do you keep these commandments all the time, continuously?
If not then you are sinning continuously!
I have seen no joy or thankfulness in your posts.
Tell me, then, what shall I conclude?
Heavenly Pilgrim
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DHK, do you sin continuously?
Heavenly Pilgrim
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How about you Amy? Do you sin continuously?
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Heavenly Pilgrim
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1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
1Th 5:25 Brethren, pray for us.
DHK, since you posted this passage, let me ask you a question. What do you feel the author had in mind by these comments? Was it simply to convict every of sinning continuously, possibly to chastise one walking holy before God, to prove that none could walk holy before God, or was the author's intent to build them up in the most holy faith, in order to get them to walk closer to the Lord?
Careful as you go. This is the Word of God we are dealing with. :thumbsup:
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
1Th 5:25 Brethren, pray for us.
DHK, since you posted this passage, let me ask you a question. What do you feel the author had in mind by these comments? Was it simply to convict every of sinning continuously, possibly to chastise one walking holy before God, to prove that none could walk holy before God, or was the author's intent to build them up in the most holy faith, in order to get them to walk closer to the Lord?
Careful as you go. This is the Word of God we are dealing with. :thumbsup:
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1. They are commands we are to endeavor to keep.1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
1Th 5:25 Brethren, pray for us.
DHK, since you posted this passage, let me ask you a question. What do you feel the author had in mind by theses comments? Was it simply to convict every of sinning continuously, possibly to chastise one walking holy before God, to prove that none could walk holy before God, or was the author's intent to build them up in the most holy faith, in order to get them to walk closer to the Lord?
Careful as you go. This is the Word of God we are dealing with. :thumbsup:
2. They are commands regarding practical Christian living.
3. If commands, then they are for our keeping.
Like many other commands, it is difficult (sometimes impossible) for one to keep all the commands all the time. Therefore I do not believe that one can remain sinless, not even for one day.
Especially is this true when we consider some of the other commands given in Scripture such as the two Great Commandments that Jesus gave. I don't believe any man can truly keep those two commands, and the first of the two, no man will ever keep until they reach heaven.
Having carefully considered those things, we sin everyday. We sin continuously, constantly. We are frail creatures of dust. We must rely on God's grace day by day. Even then we cannot live perfectly. Can you live giving all of your strength and all of your mind to the Lord all of the time, and at the same time renewing the time for the days are evil? I don't believe so.
There are sins of omission as well as commission. We often sin by the things we don't do as much as in the things that we do. People sin in not carrying out the Great Commission for example.
Heavenly Pilgrim
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DHK: 1. They are commands we are to endeavor to keep.
2. They are commands regarding practical Christian living.
3. If commands, then they are for our keeping.
HP: Amen DHK. I agree with you there. :thumbs:
DHK: Like many other commands, it is difficult (sometimes impossible) for one to keep all the commands all the time. Therefore I do not believe that one can remain sinless, not even for one day.
HP: Now there are miles between something difficult and something impossible.......and one certainly would not desire to take the position that the very God that says "HE WILL DO IT," is not being serious would we?
Heavenly Pilgrim
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How many are willing to trust God for a single minute? Who will take a challenge with me to purpose in our hearts to trust God to do a work in our lives for just one solitary minute?
God, will You keep us from "ALL SIN" for just one (1) minute, please God?
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