There is not a single scripture that teaches the new birth comes before faith, not one. You haven't provided one either. In fact the new birth and salvation occur simultaneously, and cannot happen unless faith precedes them both.
Of course, and it changes nothing about vs 3
You are embarrassing yourself.
You say you know what 1Cor.12:1 says, but yet you claim it has nothing to do with the meaning of verse 3, and likewise vs.2 has nothing to do with verse 3. Amazing! This is how you interpret Scripture? A novel method of hermeneutics, I must say! Cherry pick the verse and ignore all the surrounding verses. What do you call that kind of Bible Study??
No, you are quite wrong in this. Look again:
3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that
no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Somehow you claim that this verse is teaching the new birth and that it precedes faith. But this verse does not teach a single solitary thing about the new birth. That is why you have ignored verses 1 and 2. Paul plainly says it is speaking of "spiritual gifts." You don't want to admit that. It has nothing to do with the new birth, and you can't prove that through Scripture.
There are hundreds of people that read these posts each day. Because that verse is posted there they will read it. Of the people that read it some will be unsaved. Not everyone that reads it will be reading/saying
by the Holy Ghost that "Jesus is Lord." They will say/read it of their own human spirit not of the Holy Spirit. You obviously don't know the meaning of the verse, and are clearly ignoring the context of supernatural sign gifts.
One needs to be Born Again in order to Believe on Christ, else they are spiritually dead ! A Spiritually dead creature cannot believe !
Define "dead"? Do you mean "corpse"? That is not what "dead" means in the Bible. "Dead" simply means "separated from God," and that is all. A person that is separated can indeed communicate with God. Cornelius did, and then God sent to him Peter. Peter preached and then Cornelius was regenerated/saved. Lydia prayed to God and the Lord sent to her Paul, and then Lydia was regenerated/saved.
But what you can't explain is Adam.
Adam was given a command. Don't eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for in the day thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.
Adam ate; Adam died. He died that very day.
Thus we have "dead" Adam carrying on a conversation, audibly yet, with God. How do you explain that if Adam is dead and dead men don't talk!!!
But Adam died that day, and Adam continued to talk. Not until God himself sacrificed an animal was Adam restored to fellowship with God. A dead person can speak to God. For dead simply means separated.
I do not know what you are talking about, please stick with the principle thought, it takes spiritual life to perform a spiritual act, such as receive spiritual Truth, a spiritually dead person cannot make any spiritual movement.
I do stick with the subject but you don't.
This is what you quoted:
3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that
no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
--This has nothing to do with regeneration, salvation, or even justification.
It is a verse speaking about the spiritual gifts of the first century. Look at the context:
1 Corinthians 12:1 Now
concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
--This is how it starts out. But you want to ignore this verse and ignore the context.
You quoted verse 3. What does it say after verse 3:
1 Corinthians 12:4-6 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
--A description of the
spiritual gifts given out in the first century. You ignore the context and cherry pick verse 3 out of this context and try and make it speak of the new birth which it obviously does not.
--The only true thing you said is that you did not understand what I was talking about. And that is true.
I am very familiar with Roman's 10 !
Good, then you should have quoted the last half of the verse and not just the first part.
Yes those a spiritual works [verbs] that a spiritually dead man cannot do ! If they do them, then and become saved as a result, then they are saved because of things they did, which is salvation by works !
Belief or faith is not a work. You err on this, and grievously so. Faith is an intangible. We receive salvation by faith. It is a gift to be received by faith.
We are justified by faith. Paul writes of faith in Romans 4:4 and defines it as those "that work not." It is the opposite of work; "working not."
Yes it does ! For a spiritually dead man can do nothing spiritually or know nothing spiritually !
Did Adam know nothing? He too was spiritually dead.
When I came to Christ I knew many facts of Christianity. I had been a Catholic for 20 years, and in that time I had learned much about Christianity, but I had never known Christ personally. I know of a Muslim that memorized the entire NT. He knows many facts, spiritual facts, but is not saved. The Bible has many spiritual facts. But spiritual knowledge in and of itself does not save.
The spiritually dead man must (separated from God) must be reconciled to God. He does that by hearing the gospel. The Word of God is alive and powerful. It is the gospel that is the power of God unto salvation. He puts his faith and trust in Christ and his atoning work, and Christ saves him. He becomes part of the family of God, a child of God. That is also the new birth--being born into God's family.
It all does, you cannot receive it , but you are held accountable !
I am accountable to God, not to you. What you teach is not biblical. You cannot demonstrate it from the Bible.
