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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by seekingthetruth, Apr 24, 2012.

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  1. preacher4truth

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    Yes. Christ came to save us from our SINS not our trials and physical infirmities. I see within this thread an admixture of WOF theology and truth, which makes the end result error, which is why some conclude any mental illness equates to sin or demons.
     
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    Well said....and well illustrated......many do not understand mental illness issues, because they cannot seperate some of the sin related behaviours,from the manifestation of the illness....Many times this is why most of the people in jail have some mental health issues that have gone unchecked.

    Seekingtruth struggles to remain midline.....and yet he is not immune from just being contrary at times ...due to him being ornary, or just a bit of a butt-head....unrelated to his chemical issues......the illness is not a free pass to all manner of bad behaviour...when he has the illness managed.

    Does he have an issue....yes....but the one issue does not mean other than the chemical situation....he as a high functioning person....is somehow given an excuse if he is rude, or envious, or rebellious?...No......but he has to seek God for help in a whole different realm also....
     
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    There sure isn't.
     
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    When someone can show me a photograph of a mind, or of a mind that is sick, then I will be glad to concur the mind is a material object and say there is such a thing as mental illness.

    Until then, I will continue to call it as the Bible calls it... sin.
     
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    Show me a picture of a watt or a volt and I will believe in electricity.
     
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    Yes. And while you're waiting, wait also for a picture of the spirit of a saved man then you can believe in that as well.
     
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    The Bible identifies that man has a spirit, but nowhere does it identify a disease called mental illness.
     
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    You guys can continue feasting from the table of madness if you wish, I will believe the Word.
     
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    How is it contrary to the Word for us to discover how fearfully and wonderfully we are made? We are just beginning to understand the complexity of the human form. God made us this way.

    You are correct in one respect. Every failure of the human body - from illness to death is a result of sin.....

    For the wages of sin is death....Romans 6:23a

    Cancer, heart disease, stroke, etc, etc. All of them are a result of sin. How can you select just one of a myriad of illnesses and proclaim that one specific disease can be overcome if folk would just stop believing a lie and get right with God?
     
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  10. Alive in Christ

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    Seekingthetruth...

    You posted...

    I can assure you, I am the most calm natured, non violent, peace loving person you will ever meet. I have not lowered myself to the level of fisticuffes since 5th grade (I'm 55 now)

    Yet what you posted up their makes me want to punch that persons lights out..then punch them out again..then punch them out again..then punch them out 100 times more.

    I would not be surprised if that *deacon* is no more saved then Satan.
     
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    A deacon in my church would lose his ordination for such a stunt. There should be no tolerance for any kind of demeaning action, gesture, snide remark, or arrogance towards those who do not have the mental capacity most of us have been blessed with by the Lord. As far as the drugs, I say if it helps, more power to them. Some of the posts in this thread are really cruel. If not for the grace of God, some of you self righteous spiritual giants would be in a wheel chair totally paralyzed.

    Instead of saying depression, anger, fear, sadness, inability to cope are cop outs, and using drugs to help them also makes them a drug addict, if we just have to rid our denomination of someone, how about getting rid of the gossips, those who point fingers at unBiblical habits as sinful like dancing and lottery tickets, and the four hundred pound pot luck gluttons.
     
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    You sound like my wife!!!!

    But you are correct, i am not looking for an excuse to be rude. I just want to be given the same chance and respect as others get.

    Icon, I see it this way, you and I are never going to agree on theology, but I think we do agree on the basic point of who our savior is.

    BTW.....sometimes i am more than "just a bit of a butt"!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

    John
     
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    The Bible doesnt mention the Flu either.....but boy did i have a bad case of it this year.

    What sin would you attribute to that?

    John
     
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    But, may I add, that yes I have a certain amount of "buttheadedness" to work on....you have at least a small degree of "arrogance" to work on.:saint::saint:

    John
     
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    As I said above, and I agree with you, there are some really cruel posts in this thread. It seems to me there is an aire of superiority from those who do not have a mental disablility, like it is their right to be healthy. One inkling from the Lord, and in a twinkling of an eye, they could be in one of these states if not worse.

    It is beyond me, how anyone, especially leaders in a Christian vocation, could have such an arrogant mindset. It seems there is a bad misunderstanding of the relationship between illness and sin. It makes one wonder how much good all that higher education at seminary does, and what kind of garbage is being projected from pulpits every Sunday morning.
     
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    :applause::thumbs:agreed:thumbs:
     
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    I am going to say this, and i wont mention names...they are free to chime in if they want to.

    Several years ago, when my illness reached it's peak, I was at the edge. I mean, I had nothing, and i wanted to die more than anything. I didnt want to die to get back at anyone, or to prove a point, i just wanted to die because I was tired of living. I hated myself.

    I had no family, no friends, i was in a state where i didnt know anyone.....and I wanted to die.

    But....I kept going back to the BB, and talking with people. Several here had me call them on the phone, a couple helped me with a place to stay, and eventually I made my way back to reality. Some here on the BB know who I was before, and who I am now.

    My ordeal wasnt over by no means, I got worse a few months later and found myself with the barrel of a gun in my mouth. Luckily, someone helped me get to the right hospital, and the correct diagnosis.

    Now, I have a great home with my wife and 6 year old. I have the support of a great pastor. In the past three years I have put thousands of hours into treatment and thearpy. I get so tired of going to the doctor, and taking the meds. But guess what? It is worth it all, because now I at least appear to be normal....and I never have before.

    I wish FAL and Fred could see a video of my first 50 years of undiagnosed mental illness, and then see a video of my life in the last three years since I started to recover.

    Yes, as Icon said, it is a struggle. Everyday I face the same problems I always had and it is hard sometimes to make myself deal with them in a different way, but it is worth it.

    Funny thing is this, I get angry sometimes at the stuff people post here, but I have learned to live with it. This thread is just a cyber example of what I hear in person from some of my Christian brothers in my church that I dearly love.

    OK, here comes a confession.

    My pastor and I are really good friends. To me it's rare to have a true preacher of the Gospel that I can call a friend, but he is.

    I see him several times a week. He shows up here anytime, and I go to his house anytime. Last week, his 6 year old had a sleepover at my house with my 6 year old. We camped out in the living room with snacks, a coleman latern, and of course, X-Box. The next morning I took the boys fishing, and they caught at least a dozen smallmouth bass. (Got pics so it will never be forgotten)

    Anyway, I am very close to my pastor and my wife and I have been visiting other churches, but we havent been to the church we love for a while because of the one deacon that hates me.

    He is a photogragher, and he posted on facebook one Sunday about how he spent all night in a nightclub taking pictures of a band, and how much fun the nightclub was.

    Well, I responded with "Do you think it is a good idea for a deacon to be in a night club all night?'

    Boy, did he let me have it. He was furious.

    It got so bad that we had a meeting with me, him and our two pastors. At the meeting he berated me terribly. His stance was that he was a deacon and that I had no right to question what he did.

    And then he dropped the bombshell!

    He stated that my disability was fake, mental illness does not exist, and noone should listen to anything that a freeloader like me has to say.

    So, me and my wife have been visiting other churches. My pastor is still my pastor and friend, but we dont feel comfortable going to our church right now. (The deacons family is on almost every committe, and his mother is the piano player, ect)

    Let me add, that in the last 12 months since this happened. The deacon was removed from office, his house was foreclosed on, his wife lost her teaching job, and his photography business went under.

    Go figure!

    John
     
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    I love you Icon...dont ever forget that

    John
     
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    We can be glad that God has set His love on us...brother.A man or woman who does not know God savingly has no real idea why they are walking around on this planet. A person apart from a saving knowledge of Jesus...lives as if there is no God ,and do not understand that we are here for a purpose. For all christians we are told;
    When God saves us...he has ordained good works that we are meant to walk in. You going through your issues and comforted by God....will let you help others who have a similar struggle...God will give you opportunity.


    This might be the only indication this "deacon' might be a christian,who had to be chastened for his series of sins against you....much less his apparent affinity for the world.

    John....when i post things that you bristle against.....just read the verses offered and see what I am offering....even if you do not agree.....the goal is to better serve the Lord...so we both want truth:thumbs: I might have some, you might have some...some one else...one plants, one waters but God gives the increase.

    Even when you have disagreed...at least you expressed a concern for lost souls:thumbs: This is why we are still here....
    All debate and discussion takes place in here on BB....but you and I go into the world of the perishing....you will be used of God to reach those you meet...i never will see those people......I will meet persons you will never see...lol..I am in southwest oregon right now....talking with two people so far at the subway at the truckstop...lol You are not here...so it is up to me to occupy this space for Jesus tonight....for whatever purpose He sees fit:thumbs:
     
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