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The answer is yes as that is the only way to be saved.

 

After you forsook all that you had, you left it all, all your possessions, absolutely everything, then what did you do?

 

I would agree with all the post, but when you posted:

It is certainly a process of learning, and overcoming.

But there is no Scriptural evidence to consider sanctification is also a process as if is undergoing metamorphism. Sanctification is a re-titlement of ownership.

For instance: When the tabernacle and all that pertain to the worship and things of the tabernacle were finished being made, they were then sanctified. There was no remaking, modifications, or refinements that brought on the sanctification.

The same with salvation. Salvation occurs when there is "re-title" of the unregenerate (the original tabernacle before sanctification) to owned by God (the tabernacle after sanctification). Upon that sanctification, the body is the "temple of the Holy Spirit."

Term "set apart" may imply some kind of geographical or elemental movement that is not part of the actual intent. Rather, set apart should (when related to sanctification) be a matter of "this is titled as holy."

 

The forsaking is forsaking all that keeps us from Him. To carry this to the extreme you are doing one would also have to literally die and that is not the context of those passages. We die to self, but don't literally die. We forsake all, but we are not without things. What we are forsaking is all that stands between surrendering to Him being Lord of our lives. What those things are varies from person to person.

 

Got it.

I haven't read the article. My son is trying to get me up to speed and into the 21st century, so he's sent me Dr. Black on linguistics for Greek, Dr. Black's intermediate grammar (read both of those), and Wallace's grammar (haven't read it all yet). So I'm getting there, but still consult Dana & Mantey and old A. T. (Don't tell anyone! )

Remove "deponent"? Haven't heard of that one yet. Are they just replacing the term or the actual concept?

By the way, I'm thinking of using Dr. Black's Learn to Read NT Greek for a class I've been asked to teach when we get back to Japan. Do you think it would cross cultures well?

 

You are too comfortable in your western lifestyle. You have swallowed the Augustinian method of allegorical interpretation of the Bible, instead of taking it literally as it should be.

In Matthew 4:19 when Christ called out to Peter and Andrew: "Follow me and I will make you fishers of men," they were already saved individuals. His call was for discipleship. What did they do? They left their business of fishing, with their father still in the boat, and did not return. They left all; all their source of income, all their family, all--everything behind, and followed Jesus.
Why haven't you done that. That is the example given in the Scriptures.

The other example is in Matthew, also called Levi. He was a tax-collector, a publican. Jesus said: "Come and follow me." The Scripture records his response. "He left all and followed him." He left all the money on the table. He left his occupation, his goods, everything, and then went and followed Christ. In every occasion that is what Christ demanded.

In another occasion Christ did not want even a potential disciple to attend the funeral of his father. He said: "Let the dead bury the dead, but you come and follow me." Discipleship demanded complete and immediate obedience. It was not an option. One had to drop whatever they were doing, forsake it all, and follow Jesus.

Have you done this? Have you forsaken all? What did you do with your goods? And then what did you do after forsook all your goods and even your family?

 

FAL,
I forgot to address one point, the 24 hr sinless day. We have had several threads on this in the past. The rate of sin really does not matter, as sin is sin. I do not know if a Christian can go 24 hours without any sin, of thought, deed, or motive, and if he or she can, how long they cannot sin. The point is, they will sin and have to ask the Lord for forgiveness. Again, this in no way is blatant, unrepentent sin.

 

No His promise was to make then fishers of men, not disciples. The proof that they were already disciples was they followed when He called. Not everyone gets the same call. The man with the demons who was cutting himself was told to go back and not follow Him Matthew 8:28-34: Mark 5:1-20: Luke 8:26-39 . That too is following if that is what we are told.
So yes I have forsaken all as there is no other way to get saved. It is part of repentance.

 

I think part of the rub in this not sinning every day is like this. Some people will tell you that everyone speeds. If you ask me if I speed I will tell you no I do not. However what about those times I have missed a sign and did not know I was speeding and never found out? Well the answer is the same. If I do not know I did it then I cannot confess to it even if I did do it.
The same with not sinning every day. That does not mean that the person has lived the same life as Christ during that day. It simply means that they have done all they know about and have no conviction of violating what they know. James says it this way;
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

 

First, you are either allegorizing Scripture (like Augustine), or making excuses for not obeying him.
Second, in your statement above, "there is no other way to be saved," that is not the gospel. It is a statement of "works salvation," something totally foreign to the Bible and salvation. That is not how one becomes saved. Have you ever heard of sola fide? What does it mean to you?

 

hmmm

Leviticus 4:2-3 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering.

 

Praise God, nice passage. And?

 

Yes I understand what sola fide means but if it excludes repentance it is incorrect. Salvation requires repentance and faith for without repentance it is just a belief. You cannot trust in someone who you have not turned to in surrender. Repentance is not 50% 75% or 99%. It is 100% The Greek word for repentance would have an equivalent phrase in "about face."
That requires a 180 degree turn. There is no such thing as almost repenting. That requires the person in spirit to surrender all which will be see in actions. There is no salvation part from that.
Many years ago I was at a lake swimming. While in the water I noticed this woman starting to bob up and down and wave her hands. I swam over to her and grabbed her to try and push her above water. She immediately grabbed me and tried to climb on top of me to stay up. I told her that if she did not let go and let me help her we both would drown. She repented, surrendered her all to me in that moment, trusted me put her faith in me, all of those things and I helped her get to a place where the water was not so deep. The samething has to happen when getting saved and the only difference is that spirit of repentance and faith does not end at salvation but continues on and is never repented of.

 

You said:

However what about those times I have missed a sign and did not know I was speeding and never found out?

First, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Secondly, even the OT law provided for "sins of ignorance." As pointed out, they have a sin offering, even for the sins they did "in ignorance," the ones that you claim aren't really sins.

 

First, repentance is not surrender.
Second, one cannot repent of all their sins, and there is no such command found in the Bible.
Third, repenting of one's sins is not a command relevant to the unsaved and is not given as a command to the unsaved as a condition for salvation.

Fourth, can you give me a proper definition of "repentance."

 

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

 

I never said we have to repent of our sins to be saved. I have always said that the repenting of sin comes after salvation not to get saved. Our repentance is a turning to God. Also surrender is involved in turning to God. It is impossible to turn to God and want to remain in your rebellion. If your heart is not surrendered to Him then you are not repenting.

 

You don't have a Biblical theology; you have a Billy Graham theology. :laugh:
Surrender all and you will be saved.
Come to the altar now; surrender all; commit your life to Christ, and be saved.
You should join his crusades. You have a "surrender all theology."
Billy Graham teaches it all the time.

The problem--it isn't the gospel.

 

I should be so fortunate as to be in the same consideration with my Lord as Billy Graham

None the less tell me what you tell people.

 

Have you ever quoted this verse to a policeman writing out a speedingn ticket for you because you didn't realize the speed limit had decreased, or if that particular situation has not yet happened to you, is this the advice that you would give to young people today?