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Al Mohler's response to SBC Statement

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Michael Wrenn

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12strings said:
Just thought I'd post this...I hadn't seen anyone else link to it yet:

http://www.albertmohler.com/2012/06/06/southern-baptists-and-salvation-its-time-to-talk/

It is my opinion that Dr. Mohler has given a very wise and gracious response to the statement. What do you think?
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I can't be objective when it comes to Mohler because of my dislike of him and strong disagreement with him. I think he is barely Baptist. Statements like the following affirm it; he says of the BF&M: "Every Southern Baptist is free to believe more than the confession affirms, but never less." That denies Bible freedom, soul freedom, and priesthood of the believer.He also says of it: "Where it speaks, it speaks for us all." This also denies what the first statement does. The BF&M does not speak for me, nor does any other confession.
 
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Ed B

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12strings said:
Just thought I'd post this...I hadn't seen anyone else link to it yet:

http://www.albertmohler.com/2012/06/06/southern-baptists-and-salvation-its-time-to-talk/

It is my opinion that Dr. Mohler has given a very wise and gracious response to the statement. What do you think?
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I agree with you. I thought it was a measured, gracious response that attempts to pull the conversation toward a civil direction without ignoring that there are significant and important differences.
 
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OldRegular

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In my opinion Mohler is the most able person among Southern Baptists.

I first saw and heard of Mohler some years ago when he appeared on TV with several other religious men. I believe there was a Jew, a Roman Catholic, and some Protestant. Dr Mohler was the only one among the "Christians" who took a strong position on the Bible and the Christian Faith.
 
TadQueasy

TadQueasy

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Best thing written on this subject!

Mohler is barely Baptist? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. Mohler is a shining light for the SBC
 
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Tom Butler

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I think it's instructive to our own discussions to note that while Dr. Mohler identifies himself as a Calvinist, and says he could not sign the declaration, he did, in fairness, point out some statements with which he agrees.

And he went out of his way to call many of the signers friends of his who have contributed much to Baptist life.

I've been waiting for his take on all this and he didn't disappoint.
 
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OldRegular

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Michael Wrenn said:
I can't be objective when it comes to Mohler because of my dislike of him and strong disagreement with him. I think he is barely Baptist. Statements like the following affirm it; he says of the BF&M: "Every Southern Baptist is free to believe more than the confession affirms, but never less." That denies Bible freedom, soul freedom, and priesthood of the believer.He also says of it: "Where it speaks, it speaks for us all." This also denies what the first statement does. The BF&M does not speak for me, nor does any other confession.
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Do you know Mohler personally. If not how can you say you dislike him?

You make a very pejorative statement when you say:
I think he is barely Baptist.
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If you are going to defame Dr. Mohler you should at least present some evidence.

I don't know Mohler but would like to know him. I am thankful he is president at Southern. He has restored some integrity in the faculty. I have a copy of his discussion on the Doctrine of Grace with Paige Patterson, have read many of his articles and his excellent book He is Not Silent.

Frankly I wish more Baptists were like Dr. Mohler! I certainly agree with his characterization of the Baptist Faith and Message. One of the weaknesses of Southern Baptists is that they do not have a strong Confession. I would recommend something like the 1646 London Confession, the 1689 London Confession, or the Philadelphia Confession. Furthermore a Confession does not deny Bible freedom, soul freedom is meaningless, and no confession can affect the priesthood of the believer!
 
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jonathan.borland

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How is it gracious to say that those who signed it [poor uneducated brothers] didn't really know that what they were signing was "semi-Pelagian" and even worse than Arminian [HERETICAL!]?
 
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jonathan.borland said:
How is it gracious to say that those who signed it [poor uneducated brothers] didn't really know that what they were signing was a "Pelagian" or "semi-Pelagian" [HERETICAL!!!] document?
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Exactly.

Originally Stated by Albert Mohler:
That said, I could not sign the document. Indeed, I have very serious reservations and concerns about some of its assertions and denials. I fully understand the intention of the drafters to oppose several Calvinist renderings of doctrine, but some of the language employed in the statement goes far beyond this intention. Some portions of the statement actually go beyond Arminianism and appear to affirm semi-Pelagian understandings of sin, human nature, and the human will — understandings that virtually all Southern Baptists have denied. Clearly, some Southern Baptists do not want to identify as either Calvinists, non-Calvinists, or Arminians. That is fine by me, but these theological issues have been debated by evangelicals for centuries now, and those labels stick for a reason.
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In typical Calvinist’ rhetorical fashion Albert Mohler states the “Ole Peligian” strawman and goes forward on that premise.
 
SolaSaint

SolaSaint

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Mohler sure seemed to help put out the fire that has been generated by this document, unlike Michel Wrenn, who seems to be trying to throw gas on the fire. God Bless Dr. Mohler.
 
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Benjamin said:
Exactly.


In typical Calvinist’ rhetorical fashion Albert Mohler states the “Ole Peligian” strawman and goes forward on that premise.
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Or he understands what is contained in this false statement,Pelagian and semi pelagian ideas, that were deemed wrong in times past and are wrong still, despite your protesting.:thumbs::thumbs:
 
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mandym

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Iconoclast said:
Calvinists are just fine and seeing the weakness of this statement, they are more confident of the historic faith.:thumbs:
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Oh no they cannot be just fine. They are crying foul, acting as if they have not participated in what lead up to this and just overall being a victim. That is not fine.
 
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