Those Who Never Heard the Gospel

[The Biblicist]

You are giving the hard core Covenant theology view here...

You do realise many, dispy such as myself, would not see the scriptures in the same light?

As we do NOT recognize either Covenant between the trinity, not that of Works as in the bible!

Then you are wrong! There is no other covenant of grace than that which was made between the Persons of the Trinity and that is precisely why it is called "the blood of THE EVERLASTING covenant."

There never has been ANOTHER GOSPEL than that preached by all the Prophetes - Acts 10:43/26:22-23/Heb. 4:2

There never has been ANOTHER WAY of salvation than through Christ and the "blood of the EVERLASTING covenant" - Mt. 7:14/Jn. 14:6/Acts 4:12 given under heaven and among men.

There never has been ANOTHER salvation.

Israel as a nation is the "elect" ETHNIC nation who will be saved by the same gospel, same Savior, same way when Christ returns (Rom. 11:25-32) by the very same covenant of grace. There is no other covenant of Grace and there are no other parties involved in that covenant than the Trinune Persons of the Godhead.

 

[annsni]

You just keep being ignorant.
Did I just not say twice now that there are people so mentally disabled that they could not go to church?

You are ignorant about this topic. Do you know there are severely disabled that they would break things around you and hurt people?

Are you speaking of mentally ill and not mentally disabled?

Oh, stop it.

Why?

 

[annsni]

Oh - and here is more of my 'ignorance' - some very dear people:

The woman in front was right there with us and just physically handicapped but the gentleman behind her was completely non-verbal and unresponsive. He passed away a few years ago. But you know what? He was an amazing artist!

The sweet little black woman at the end of the table was severely mentally disabled although she could walk. The man to her right (our left) was such a doll!! He loved to give hugs. He was verbal but no one ever understood him. The man to the left of him (in the striped shirt) loved to get up in front of everyone during the sermon and pretend he was the pastor. He would verbalize - but again, no one could really understand him. But what a sweetheart!

The three in the wheelchair - the man on the left was mentally "there" but just a little slow in his speech and physical abilities. He was mostly physically handicapped. The man and woman next to him were wonderful. They actually were married in our church - despite being severely mentally and physically handicapped. That was a wonderful wedding. After their wedding, they slept in the same room in the nursing home.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Like my wife said, unless Moriah has a seat in the mentally challenged person's brain, he has no idea what that person can and cannot hear.

Thanks for sharing those pictures, annsni.

 

[Moriah]

Oh - and here is more of my 'ignorance' - some very dear people:

The woman in front was right there with us and just physically handicapped but the gentleman behind her was completely non-verbal and unresponsive. He passed away a few years ago. But you know what? He was an amazing artist!

The sweet little black woman at the end of the table was severely mentally disabled although she could walk. The man to her right (our left) was such a doll!! He loved to give hugs. He was verbal but no one ever understood him. The man to the left of him (in the striped shirt) loved to get up in front of everyone during the sermon and pretend he was the pastor. He would verbalize - but again, no one could really understand him. But what a sweetheart!

The three in the wheelchair - the man on the left was mentally "there" but just a little slow in his speech and physical abilities. He was mostly physically handicapped. The man and woman next to him were wonderful. They actually were married in our church - despite being severely mentally and physically handicapped. That was a wonderful wedding. After their wedding, they slept in the same room in the nursing home.

Ann,

You are still showing your ignorance. None of these people you are speaking about are as mentally disabled that I am speaking of, for there is a whole community of people you obviously have no idea of their type of disability.
You speak of people that are artists; of another who can pretend to be a pastor, and even a couple that got married! Please stop, pay attention, and believe someone might know more about the disabled than you.

 

[Moriah]

Like my wife said, unless Moriah has a seat in the mentally challenged person's brain, he has no idea what that person can and cannot hear.

Thanks for sharing those pictures, annsni.

Why, do you and your wife have a seat there?

 

[annsni]

Ann,

You are still showing your ignorance. None of these people you are speaking about are as mentally disabled that I am speaking of, for there is a whole community of people you obviously have no idea of their type of disability.
You speak of people that are artists; of another who can pretend to be a pastor, and even a couple that got married! Please stop, pay attention, and believe someone might know more about the disabled than you.

Umm - yes, but you ignore those who cannot do any of those. I showed you pictures of a number of them. Why do you ignore what I've written? Maybe believe that someone may also know about the disabled as much - or more - than you. I believe that God can get through to anyone He wishes. I also believe that He can stir belief and faith - maybe not just like someone with an IQ of 140 but that doesn't matter. God tells us to come like children. Who is more child-like than a severely disabled person?

 

[DHK]

Ann,

You are still showing your ignorance. None of these people you are speaking about are as mentally disabled that I am speaking of, for there is a whole community of people you obviously have no idea of their type of disability.
You speak of people that are artists; of another who can pretend to be a pastor, and even a couple that got married! Please stop, pay attention, and believe someone might know more about the disabled than you.

Ann has experience working with the disabled. Do you?
Besides that, you are derailing this thread. Why not start a new one.
Perhaps this derailment is a deliberate one.
Are you carrying out the Great Commission?
Do you love your neighbor (the world) as yourself?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Like I said, it is hypocritical for you to tell people to debate respectfully and then you turn around and hurl the insults you hurl..

Why am I not surprised?

 

[Moriah]

Why are you fixated on this topic when it does not relate to the OP.

I am not fixated on it, and it does have to do with the topic. This topic is about those who never heard the gospel! Are you too dense to get that?

Leave it alone.

I do not have to leave it alone.
Why are you biting at me for debating here?
Why do you attack me everywhere I go?
Why in the hell are you not debating steadfastfred, his wife, aliveinChrist, and Ann on this? They DO NOT believe like you about the mentally disabled, so debate them back! Why do you just always come after me?

Why don't you answer my post to you?

I am not going to read your posts to me. The only reason why I read this one is because it was short and I was not being careful.

What are you doing about the Great Commission?
Do you really love your neighbor (the world) as yourself?
If you are so concerned about those that have never heard the gospel, why don't you do something about it.

I am more concerned about all the people you harmed by false doctrine. It is why I debate here.
You are an accuser DHK.
You need to be a good neighbor and stay out of my business.

What the Bible teaches about this, is that if YOU allow them to die without the gospel, then their blood will be on your hands. What part are you playing in getting the gospel out to these people that you keep referring to?

I know you like to say that to me a lot, because you think it bothers me. You are exposed you are not a peacekeeper. You are a man who tries to incite others. It is evil to the core.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Moriah, why are you cursing?

Ephesians 4:31 (KJV) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Colossians 3:8 (KJV) But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

 

[Moriah]

Moriah, why are you cursing?

Ephesians 4:31 (KJV) Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Colossians 3:8 (KJV) But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Hell is a real place. Go have a drink.

 

[DHK]

I am not fixated on it, and it does have to do with the topic. This topic is about those who never heard the gospel! Are you too dense to get that?

No, I have said a number of times that infants and mentally challenged people are a different topic. Start another thread. You have ignored me.

I do not have to leave it alone.

I need to moderate this thread. You keep derailing. Grow up.

Why are you biting at me for debating here?

Why do you attack me everywhere I go?
Why in the hell are you not debating steadfastfred, his wife, aliveinChrist, and Ann on this? They DO NOT believe like you about the mentally disabled, so debate them back! Why do you just always come after me? [/quote]
Actually they have very similar beliefs. You stand alone against everyone else in a torrent of horrid rage that comes across on this board. And then you have the audacity to claim you are sinless.

I am not going to read your posts to me. The only reason why I read this one is because it was short and I was not being careful.

You curse and use terrible language, and now you say you were being careful. What hypocrisy is that!

I am more concerned about all the people you harmed by false doctrine. It is why I debate here.

If you are concerned you would stop your cursing that reveals your true depraved nature and debate with a civil attitude

You are an accuser DHK.

Who just accused who??
This is your form of debating.

You need to be a good neighbor and stay out of my business.

As long as you debate here it is my business.

I know you like to say that to me a lot, because you think it bothers me. You are exposed you are not a peacekeeper. You are a man who tries to incite others. It is evil to the core.

The only peace-keeper is the prince of peace, Jesus Christ, and those that will present him to others. You evidently fail in that area. You have given no reason for any person to believe that you even try to fulfill your obligation in the Great Commission, much less bringing any peace and civility to this board.

 

[Moriah]

No, I have said a number of times that infants and mentally challenged people are a different topic. Start another thread. You have ignored me.

I need to moderate this thread. You keep derailing. Grow up.

Why do you attack me everywhere I go?
Why in the hell are you not debating steadfastfred, his wife, aliveinChrist, and Ann on this? They DO NOT believe like you about the mentally disabled, so debate them back! Why do you just always come after me?

Actually they have very similar beliefs. You stand alone against everyone else in a torrent of horrid rage that comes across on this board. And then you have the audacity to claim you are sinless.

You curse and use terrible language, and now you say you were being careful. What hypocrisy is that!

If you are concerned you would stop your cursing that reveals your true depraved nature and debate with a civil attitude

Who just accused who??
This is your form of debating.

As long as you debate here it is my business.

The only peace-keeper is the prince of peace, Jesus Christ, and those that will present him to others. You evidently fail in that area. You have given no reason for any person to believe that you even try to fulfill your obligation in the Great Commission, much less bringing any peace and civility to this board.[/QUOTE]

I will not read one word of this.

 

[annsni]

Why, do you and your wife have a seat there?

Moriah - That is just rude.

I believe it would be best for you to step away from the computer for a time and spend a bit of time with your family or doing something you love. For some reason, your posting here is bringing out the worst in you. I do pray that you have a good and refreshing night and maybe can gather yourself in the morning.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Moriah...

I am not fixated on it, and it does have to do with the topic. This topic is about those who never heard the gospel! Are you too dense to get that?

I'm just wondering, did someone somewhere along the line tell you that being rude, crude, and insulting is actually one of the "gifts of the Spirit" ??


It certainly isnt a good way to "win friends and influence people".

 

[Moriah]

Moriah - That is just rude.

I believe it would be best for you to step away from the computer for a time and spend a bit of time with your family or doing something you love. For some reason, your posting here is bringing out the worst in you. I do pray that you have a good and refreshing night and maybe can gather yourself in the morning.

Ann, steadfastfred said, "Like my wife said, unless Moriah has a seat in the mentally challenged person's brain, he has no idea what that person can and cannot hear."

What is so rude about my asking if they have a seat there, since they are telling us what the mentally challenged can believe in?

Can you understand that?

Stop making false judgments about me. Do you really think accusing me of being rude when I was not, and telling me when to get off the computer was going to go well? Why do you not go now and step away from the computer.

I love speaking of God’s Truth, but there are so many here who do not listen to God’s word, and so many here advanced at personal attacking.

 

[Moriah]

Moriah...



I'm just wondering, did someone somewhere along the line tell you that being rude, crude, and insulting is actually one of the "gifts of the Spirit" ??


It certainly isnt a good way to "win friends and influence people".

Is this incitement from you an example of what you believe the fruits of the Spirit are really?
You spoke falseness about the mentally disabled, and you do not understand the Word of God as written in the scriptures you quoted. Now that is rude.

Instead of you continuing to be rude and telling me how rude you think I am how about you post those scriptures here and you can show me what you think it says, and I can do the same.
You might find that you did not correctly understand those scriptures, and then you can repent for speaking so horribly about the mentally disabled and me.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

There you have it folks...

Moriah not only thinks that he knows what people can and cannot hear, he also thinks he is the only one that knows how to interpret Scriture.

Amazing.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

There you have it folks...

Moriah not only thinks that he knows what people can and cannot hear, he also thinks he is the only one that knows how to interpret Scriture.

Amazing.

*Scripture